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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 1 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Paul McLennan

That is a very good point, which almost feeds into the discussion on training and how to monitor it.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Paul McLennan

I have a working example that builds on Willie Rennie’s point. On Monday, I held an energy conference in East Lothian that included Edinburgh College and companies that are investing all over East Lothian, including Scottish Power, SSE and Fred Olsen; we also had the Energy Skills Partnership. One key thing that we have been trying to do for years now is to make forecasts—indeed, Willie Rennie made a point about knowing where the demand for jobs will be—and some frustration was expressed at the conference at the forecasting of future demand.

How much do you work with bodies such as the Energy Skills Partnership to look at the demand across various parts of Scotland? Edinburgh College, which had representatives at the conference, would be relevant to that activity. What interactions are you having with the likes of the Energy Skills Partnership to identify skills and opportunities and to know what will be required almost a year in advance? Those jobs will become available, but it is important that the skills are prepared a year or two in advance. That was a real working example that we saw when we discussed these matters on Monday.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Paul McLennan

Another key partner, as well as the colleges, is the local authority, through, for example, its East Lothian works programme. Does your work feed into that of local authorities? What part do they play, and how do you feed into it? There are fantastic training opportunities for kids in East Lothian, and it is important to maximise them. I am thinking, for example, of the £100 million investment that was made in a company called Had Fab and the 40 or 50 new apprenticeships that came out of that. It has been a game changer for lots of people. Where do local authorities come in?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Paul McLennan

On your point about age and maturity, every child will be different when it comes to how mature they are for their age, but is there some cut-off point—say, when a child is over 12, over 15 or whatever? I know that that is a bit of a “How long is a piece of string?” question, but do you have any thoughts on that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Paul McLennan

It is good to hear your comments.

Leah Rivka, is there anything that you want to add?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Paul McLennan

I do not know whether you heard our earlier discussion about age and maturity. As we all know, kids can mature at different ages. You hinted at it when you talked about secondary school. Will you expand on that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Paul McLennan

Good morning. You probably heard the questions that I put to the previous panel. I would like to hear your views on the process that the bill proposes for withdrawal from RO and RME. There are three aspects of that process, the first of which is the requirement for schools to inform a child if their parent asks for them to be withdrawn from RO or RME. Secondly, when a request has been made, the child will be given an opportunity to express their views, and the school must seek to have a discussion with the child and the parent if the child objects to being withdrawn. Thirdly, the school must respect the child’s wishes if their view differs from that of their parent. Previous witnesses raised the issue of the age and maturity of the pupil, which they thought was important, although their views differed.

I am particularly interested in hearing a legal perspective. Who would like to go first?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Paul McLennan

Thank you for that. Angela O’Hagan was nodding away there. Angela, do you want to add anything else on the UNCRC point and the general question?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Paul McLennan

Rachel Fox, do you have anything to add on that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Paul McLennan

That really strengthens the point that was made earlier on; you put across a very good point. I do not know whether anybody wants to add to that.