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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 1 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Paul McLennan

Do you want to add anything, Professor Sengupta?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Paul McLennan

That is an interesting point. At last night’s meeting, there were kids who had been through a couple of local authorities, and there were kids who were quieter than others. It is a very relevant point.

I want to go on to the guidance on care experience. I will come to Maree Allison, because you touched on that in a previous answer. The committee’s call for views asked about clarity in relation to guidance on care experience, and your response touched on a definition of care experience. Will you say a little bit more about that or about what you think needs to be done in that particular area?

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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Paul McLennan

John Trainer, does the lack of a definition create problems for you, on the ground?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Paul McLennan

Last week, we talked about when a child is capable of forming a view. There were mixed views. Some witnesses said that it should be when they reach secondary school age, but you have answered that question. When we talked last week, there was a view about when a child is capable of making decisions. You could have a mature eight-year-old as against a mature 12-year-old.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Paul McLennan

We have kind of touched on this, but the Scottish Government’s assertion is that the new process will support articles 12 and 14 of the UNCRC. You have all mentioned those articles. I am pretty clear about the views that are coming through on that, but does anybody want to add anything, particularly about the Government’s assertion about articles 12 and 14?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Paul McLennan

There are different family dynamics.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Paul McLennan

Douglas, do you have anything else to add?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Paul McLennan

Louise Church, do you have anything to add?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Paul McLennan

That was going to be the follow-up question, as you probably heard from previous evidence sessions. The point has been made that you could have a mature eight-year-old, or an immature 12-year-old. It is therefore about where the line is.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Paul McLennan

As an extension of that, at the previous meeting of the committee we asked about the UNCRC. We specifically mentioned article 12 on the right to be heard and article 14 on freedom of thought. We have heard from various witnesses that there are issues to do with compatibility with the UNCRC. What are your thoughts on that?