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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 September 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 24 April 2025

Paul McLennan

Apologies, convener, but I am not finished yet.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Paul McLennan

You make a really important point. You are right: if somebody goes in and addresses the issue with antifungal paint, it might do the job for a short period of time, but the mould will just come back again very shortly afterwards.

One of the keys things in the consultation—you picked up on the point—is about working with local authorities on the technology in that area and ensuring that what we do is more sustainable and long term. It should not just be a case of doing a paint-over job because, within a year or two, the problem will come back, so that will not solve the situation in the medium to long term. It is very much about working with local authorities on ensuring that the technology that is coming forward—there are various initiatives in that regard—leads to longer-term, sustainable action. We will be consulting the regulator and local authorities on that issue. Again, I can come back to the committee on that.

As you said, it is something that the regulator reports on, and we will be discussing the matter with the regulator. I do not know whether any of my colleagues want to add anything.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Paul McLennan

You make a really important point. You are right: if somebody goes in and addresses the issue with antifungal paint, it might do the job for a short period of time, but the mould will just come back again very shortly afterwards.

One of the keys things in the consultation—you picked up on the point—is about working with local authorities on the technology in that area and ensuring that what we do is more sustainable and long term. It should not just be a case of doing a paint-over job because, within a year or two, the problem will come back, so that will not solve the situation in the medium to long term. It is very much about working with local authorities on ensuring that the technology that is coming forward—there are various initiatives in that regard—leads to longer-term, sustainable action. We will be consulting the regulator and local authorities on that issue. Again, I can come back to the committee on that.

As you said, it is something that the regulator reports on, and we will be discussing the matter with the regulator. I do not know whether any of my colleagues want to add anything.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Paul McLennan

I am happy to write to you to try to provide more clarity on that. As I said, there is complexity in that the buildings are all slightly different. We all want the remediation to be concluded, progressed and moved on as soon as possible. I am happy for Alan Johnston to drop you a note on the specific points that he mentioned in his contribution.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Paul McLennan

I have regular meetings with colleagues on the various states of programmes in the pilot and on any other issues that come up. I will bring in Alan Johnston on the point about day-to-day work.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Paul McLennan

When the new UK Government came in, one of the key things for me was to ensure that there was a four-Government response, which is really important. Initially, we had a discussion with the UK Government minister to say that we needed to work together more closely. We also had a meeting before the Grenfell inquiry report came out. In addition, I think that an intergovernmental meeting is coming up.

The issue of cladding, and Grenfell in particular, is being discussed at ministerial level. We have all given our reassurance that those discussions will continue, which has been welcomed. Officials are working very closely on the approach.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Paul McLennan

It has all been very constructive. We can write to the committee when the contract is agreed.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Paul McLennan

As part of our response to the Grenfell inquiry, we pulled together a group of experts in the sector to look at our response and to address the issues. That was an issue that the group picked up. We remain confident about our position going forward. We will engage with the UK Government and other Government colleagues as well as the sector as we progress with our response to the Grenfell inquiry.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Paul McLennan

Alan, do you want to add anything on the discussions we have with UK Government colleagues on cladding?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Paul McLennan

I will comment on the broader issue of the construction sector in the UK. All Governments in the UK are looking at that, because we know that the average age of people working in the construction sector is 58 or 59. All Governments have to pick up that, and they have done so over a period. The member raised a really important point.

The committee has heard from Stephen Garvin and Alan Johnston on the capacity of the sector to deal with Grenfell and cladding issues. We are pretty confident about current capacity, but the broader issue around the construction sector is important, because we have an aging construction sector at an important time. All Governments in the UK are picking up and are working collectively on that.

On some of your other points, we have talked about going through the pilot programme. We will come back to you on that and be as specific as we possibly can.

On the open call, we mentioned that there are 32 expressions of interest. An SBA normally takes eight to 10 weeks to deal with, and we are engaging on that. We are planning to launch stage 2 before a number of the SBAs are completed, so it will almost run into that process and flow from there. One of the key issues, as we have learned, is to make sure that the process moves as quickly as possible, hence why we are launching stage 2 in June.

I would imagine, given the response that we have had, that the number will continue to grow beyond 32. The SBAs will be carried out and we will see what remediation work is required beyond that. The intention is to move on that as soon as possible.

I am happy to keep the committee up to date with the number of open call expressions of interest that come through, with the caveat that we will have to check them against the criteria and so on. I am happy to come back to or to write to the committee on that point, but the intention of bringing forward stage 2 in June is to undertake it as soon as possible, and for us to then move on to the remediation process as well as on to what we are doing through the pilot programme. It is a moveable feast—that is the best way to describe it. We are happy to come back to the committee or to write to Ms Gallacher on that point.