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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 May 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Michelle Thomson

I think that we could all agree with that. Obviously, things might change after the general election and any new incoming Government might move away from the 20 per cent real-terms cut to capital investment. However, either way, given the chronic issue with UK public finances, which applies across the board, I would appreciate your thoughts on infrastructure investment planning that is built into a sustainable college estate. What are some of the key areas that it would be important to plan out? What would you draw out from your perspective, accepting and understanding the difficulties?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Michelle Thomson

There is a lovely parallel between risks and opportunity there. Mary Senior, I offer you the chance to have the last comment.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Michelle Thomson

That leads on to my next question. You have set out clearly some of the risks and their significance. Given the risks that you have highlighted, what can we do to start to rebalance the position? Obviously, that needs to be staged over a period of time.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Michelle Thomson

What you just said does not in any way reflect the fact that there is a projected 20 per cent real-terms cut in the capital budget. To be clear, the capital budget is given to the Scottish Government by the UK Government, and the Scottish Government has only a very limited capacity—an extremely limited capacity—to increase that budget, so it cannot allocate more money to college infrastructure than is available. In the light of that situation, what are your reflections? The Scottish Government cannot take money from revenue—from day-to-day expenditure—and put it into capital. That is illegal; it is not allowed to do that.

The Scottish Government can spend only what it is given so, when there are significant cuts, there is nowhere else for it to go and priority calls need to be made. As I pointed out, Audit Scotland has shown that, over the most recent two years, the Scottish Government has provided an increase in capital expenditure. I am trying to understand whether, in this very real situation, there are any silver bullets in order to deliver a sustainable college estate. It is not as simple as pushing out plans—I think that that is what Mark MacPherson was alluding to. We will have to do less, because we have less.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Michelle Thomson

I am trying to understand what social considerations colleges should make. I think that, in your earlier remarks, you highlighted that colleges should consider their contribution to society when they are considering course provision.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Michelle Thomson

This is the moment you have all been waiting for.

We have danced around the issue of international students—the implications for fees and the fee structure, risks to universities and so on. I will come to you first, Dr Conlon, for your honest assessment of where we are in terms of our reliance on international students, the implications of that reliance and the risks therein should there be some major international shift—fully accepting the comments that Mary Senior made earlier about the drop caused by the Home Secretary’s recent announcement.

That is the starting point. I have some follow-on questions as well.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Michelle Thomson

Sorry for jumping about a bit. David Belsey, I want to come to you first, to flesh out something. Let me know if I have misunderstood, but earlier, you said that colleges should not consider economic impact, but then you qualified that by saying it should not be the primary consideration in the strategy. Given that qualification, could you highlight where there should be consideration of the economic benefit from colleges?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Michelle Thomson

Okay. Mark MacPherson, I do not know whether you have anything to add. I have a wee supplementary to follow as well.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Michelle Thomson

Within that framing, what consideration is given to social considerations, in terms of course provision? David Belsey, what are your thoughts about how we can prioritise that?

Meeting of the Parliament

Decision Time

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Michelle Thomson

On a point of order, Presiding Officer. The app lost its connection and I was not able to cast a vote. I would have voted yes.