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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 26 August 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 November 2024

Michelle Thomson

I still do not understand why the assessments were not done at the time.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 November 2024

Michelle Thomson

Good morning, minister. Thank you for attending the meeting this morning.

I want to ask about ScotWind. In her original statement, the Cabinet Secretary for Finance and Local Government said that the intention was to draw down £460 million from ScotWind. That came under some criticism by many people, not least of all me. However, as the convener has already pointed out, luckily, it now looks as though matters have changed, due to your excellent internal planning assumption. More important, we will not have a final update until the spring budget revision. What assessment have you made of the behavioural impacts on investment as a result of continued uncertainty about whether the ScotWind money will be used for revenue spending or to genuinely support future growth?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 November 2024

Michelle Thomson

I am looking at the general principle, because the information that we have is quite opaque, because we have moneys coming into certain areas. I am looking at the general principle, as that appears to be what has happened.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 November 2024

Michelle Thomson

That was my working assumption, so I was surprised to see the transfer from net zero and energy to enterprise, trade and investment. It is good that that money is going to offshore energy, because that adds investment, but, given that both growing the economy and tackling the climate emergency are Scottish Government priorities, what was the thinking behind swapping the money from one priority area to another? There were net funding changes of £19.6 million from net zero and energy to enterprise.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 November 2024

Michelle Thomson

We are all grateful for the changes that have been made thus far, at the behest of the committee, to provide greater transparency. Regarding your role and the good work that, I understand, you are doing to seek to make savings from a public administration point of view, have you had any thoughts about how that can be transparently demonstrated? I know that that does not relate to our discussion today, but it would relate to future budgets.

Meeting of the Parliament [Draft]

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3

Meeting date: 5 November 2024

Michelle Thomson

On a point of order, Presiding Officer. My connection dropped, but I would have voted yes.

Meeting of the Parliament

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 31 October 2024

Michelle Thomson

Does Mr Hoy agree that the addition of scrutiny of public administration to the finance brief for the first time in this place has been very worth while and that, arguably, that has been evidenced by the report that is before us?

Meeting of the Parliament

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 31 October 2024

Michelle Thomson

Each year, as we approach the budget, the FPAC—that is what I will shorten it to—hears the same refrain, which is broadly summarised as, “We’re great and we deserve more money.” Each successive group of witnesses says the same, and each successive group does not necessarily consider the bigger picture. The strategic landscape—I use that term deliberately to ensure that we in this Parliament take a long-range view in relation to commissioners—seems to have been going the same way. I can imagine a multitude of areas in which, if we consulted people and asked them whether they would like a commissioner to deal with their area of interest, they would say that they would like one.

However, as an existing postholder said:

“As commissioners, we see regular frequent flyers ... looking for an angle in on their particular issue, and sometimes the more angles you have, the more risk there is and the more inefficiency there is in a system.”—[Official Report, Finance and Public Administration Committee, 30 April 2024; c 16-17.]

I hope, and suspect we all agree, that public service reform is long overdue; that efficiency, effectiveness and coherence must be at the heart of our public spend; and that the processes in this place are still evolving.

I was pleasantly surprised, on receiving the usual briefings ahead of the debate, to find that they, too, were supportive of the position adopted by our committee. That provides a welcoming backdrop to today’s debate.

I plan to pull out a few points to add to the contributions from members so far, which I have found heartening. First, it is worth reiterating the strong cross-party agreement in committee for a moratorium on the creation of any new commissioners. We should bear it in mind that the Finance and Public Administration Committee is, of course, a cross-party committee, as is standard, and we have robust exchanges on a regular basis. The strength of feeling within the committee was heartening.

Secondly, on democratic accountability, of the various types of commissioners that are listed—investigatory, regulatory, complaints handling, specialist oversight and advocacy—we know that the new ones that are being proposed are mostly advocates. I agree with that, but what are we here to do, as MSPs, if not to advocate? That point was succinctly made by Jackson Carlaw:

“When it comes to advocacy, that is what MSPs were elected to do.”—[Official Report, Finance and Public Administration Committee, 28 May 2024; c 2.]

My third point concerns parliamentary accountability. Professor Alan Page noted that the bodies concerned

“are not really accountable to anybody”.

That is a strong view, but I would certainly agree that their accountability is uncertain. On scrutiny, or the lack of, we heard from the Law Society of Scotland, which noted that committee scrutiny

“can sometimes seem a little perfunctory.”—[Official Report, Finance and Public Administration Committee, 21 May 2024; c 54, 56.]

That may well win an understatement of the year award, given the large workload of all our committees.

Fourthly, on cost, the estimated cost for 2024-25 is certainly above £15 million, and is heading towards £16 million, I think. We do not have all the costs for any of the new commissioners, but it would certainly be many millions of pounds, which is on top of an already stretched budget. Ironically enough, the Finance Committee of 2006 got a lot right with its tests for the creation for future bodies, namely clarity of remit, distinction between functions, complementarity, simplicity and accessibility, shared services and accountability. Our committee reiterates some of those tests in our recommendations—and rightly so.

Fifthly, perhaps the most interesting area where consolidation may be considered is that of rights. The SHRC makes a number of comments in its briefing, principally that creating new commissions or commissioners could create significant challenges for the protection of human rights. It notes that that makes matters more complex for accessing justice and dilutes human rights—it also makes various other points. What struck me was the SHRC’s view that silos could be an issue regarding the protection of rights. I make no apology for noting that that was an issue with the Parliament’s consideration of the Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill. Balancing rights is messy and complex, but it is entirely necessary. I thought that that point came through strongly.

I will make a final few comments on the dedicated committee that is proposed. Of course it will be a cross-party committee, and rightly so, but can the minister confirm that a bit of attention will be given to the skills of the members gathered on it? If we are going to do what is an important piece of work, we want to give ourselves the best potential outcomes by getting the right people on that committee.

Meeting of the Parliament

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 31 October 2024

Michelle Thomson

The minister will note that the committee recommended that the ministerial control framework should be published. Is the Government willing to do that?

Meeting of the Parliament

First Minister’s Question Time

Meeting date: 31 October 2024

Michelle Thomson

After the budget, the Office for Budget Responsibility significantly downgraded its economic growth forecasts, and the Institute for Fiscal Studies warned that the vast majority of the national insurance tax hike will hit working people through lower pay. To what extent will the UK budget usher in the new era of growth that the Secretary of State for Scotland promised?