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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 24 November 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

When is it ever less than expected?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

We have these tinkering discussions between the autumn and spring budget revisions every year because that is a function of having yearly budgets, and I am always struck by the fact that a lot of what we discuss is just for information and we do not get anywhere near looking at the aggregate picture or the real issues. I am thinking about that because of the convener’s opening discussion about reassigning money to the delivery point. My working assumption is that the Scottish Government does that so that it can retain control, because the only way to retain control of a fixed budget is to have reassignment. Is that correct?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

I have a gentle challenge. Although there may be a shift in the future, there is still ring-fenced funding for local government so that the Government can ensure that its priorities are met. I may have asked this question last year, but why do you not attribute the same discipline to yourselves in respect of, say, the housing budget—I use that example because of the multi-factor economic benefits, although it may be a bad example because of the issue of capital, which we may get to—by fixing that as n per cent of the overall budget?

The problem with “tinkering”, as I describe it, is that it always involves short-termism. If you do not set aside a certain percentage and say that it will always be spent on something that we know gives economic benefits, you are perpetuating the status quo of tinkering. Notwithstanding that, I fully accept that annual budgets are a function of a fixed budget and the role of the Treasury. However, every year I hear about the constant tinkering of moving budget moneys from pot to pot, which has an insidious impact on long-term strategic planning that is aligned with economic growth.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

That risk is not a surprise to me, and I suspect that it is not a surprise to you, either. I am therefore surprised that we are in this position. An assessment of risk—not just a treatment of what funds come back—must surely have been part and parcel of the decision on which budget pot those contributions went into. Is that a matter of catching up with what is still a relatively immature system of Whitehall fiscal transfers? Is there something more?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

Ms Johnson, I do not know whether you have any final comments.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

You probably heard me express concern about timescales to the earlier panel. I do not know the exact date, but it is proposed that the stage 1 debate on the bill be held in the chamber in December. When we come back in the new year, we will have 12 working weeks—not 11 as I said earlier—in which to deal with a multitude of other legislation. After the stage 1 debate, the bill will come back to the committee for stage 2, before returning to the chamber for stage 3.

First, based on your knowledge and experience to date, how realistic is it that the required work can be completed within that timescale?

Secondly, what must be put in place for that to happen? What would be your top ask to get the bill into the condition that we might like it to be in? I fully accept your comments about the levy not being fair, which is what we have heard from contributors across the board.

Anna Gardiner looked at me first, so you can go first.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

Thank you.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

I know that my colleagues are keen to ask questions, but before Seth Finegan comes back in, I want to introduce one last thread, which is about data. I was recently in Lithuania, where they have created what they call a data lake, which is an aggregated data set of all their public sector data. Of course, that will be immensely powerful when they start to look at preventative spend. Before I stop, I would like your reflections on that. Where are we with data, and do you have a sense of understanding how important it is? Seth, please come in first and finish off on the previous point.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

I have a final question. What is your attitude and risk appetite for generative AI, or rather the black box nature of it? We have been talking about pretty early-doors usage of AI, but we all know that there will be challenges with generative AI and the basis of statistical probability versus genuine cognition. In your businesses, is the attitude you are taking, “We will deal with that when we start to smell it, but we are not at that point yet”, or is it something that you are already actively considering?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Michelle Thomson

I invite final comments from Peter Proud and Sarah Ronald on data.