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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 25 July 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Revenue Scotland

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Michelle Thomson

I regard the fact that that keeps you awake as good news.

We have talked about your risk assessment in general. In the context of the constraints in public sector funding, you have already commented in response to a number of questions about things that you cannot really afford to spend on. You just referenced the Scottish Government’s human resources and finance corporate transformation programme. Are you alluding to the possibility that that could mean further restrictions or lack of growth in funding or is it as much about what that might bring to you? I am interested to hear a bit more about that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Revenue Scotland

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Michelle Thomson

Lastly, every time that you come in front of us, you always talk very positively about the culture that you are fostering. I regard culture in organisations as hugely important and, of course, something that comes from the top. Often, the culture of an organisation stays endemic to it, even after the original people have moved on to different things. What is your guiding philosophy? What are, if you like, the top trees that you are planting that will grow and bloom for generations after we have all moved on?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 19 November 2024

Michelle Thomson

The convener mentioned the public trust model. Might it be beneficial to work cross-party on that? It strikes me that, if a sound model can be found and adopted, it would have potential benefits for a variety of areas, given current constraints. A few members might be interested in looking at the implications of that generally, but it would also be advantageous for your bill.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Petroineos Grangemouth

Meeting date: 13 November 2024

Michelle Thomson

Yes, I appreciate the commercial sensitivity; I am fully mindful of that. However, I think that having more public information as to the specific implications with regard to the hydrocracker, and why we are in the current position, would be helpful for the public record.

In addition, I have not seen a public impact assessment of an import terminal. I do not know whether you have undertaken such an assessment, but it would be useful to understand the top-line impacts on environmental security and, in particular, the societal impacts. I draw your attention to the recent commentary from John Bell of Gulfsands, which you will probably have seen. He believes that the impact is significant, and that has been backed up by the PwC report.

Have you undertaken an impact assessment? What can you put in the public domain regarding the implications of the import terminal?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Petroineos Grangemouth

Meeting date: 13 November 2024

Michelle Thomson

Have you conducted an internal assessment of the hydrocracker and the hydrogen unit that feeds it? Are you able to share that with the committee at all?

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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Petroineos Grangemouth

Meeting date: 13 November 2024

Michelle Thomson

I know that other members are going to come in with more detail on a lot of these questions. On Grangemouth in particular, the community has a multitude of issues. The committee’s general sense, as we brought out in our earlier report, was that the community had gained no material benefit from the carbon revolution, and that it has concerns about a just transition.

I understand what you are saying about profit margins and the future direction of travel, but what would need to happen in order for both Ineos and Petroineos, and PetroChina, to pause the plans for the refinery to allow more substantive steps to be taken to enable a just transition?

I fully understand the direction of travel, but what would need to happen for there to be a pause? I think that that is what most people are looking for.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Petroineos Grangemouth

Meeting date: 13 November 2024

Michelle Thomson

Thank you for being very clear about that. My final question is whether you have specifically asked the UK Government for financial support or, indeed, whether the need for it has been discussed at any point up to today. In other words, could there be any doubt in its mind that that could still have been an incentive to bring about a pause, as I have discussed?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Convener

Meeting date: 13 November 2024

Michelle Thomson

Our next item of business is to choose a new convener. As explained in paper 1, the Parliament has agreed that only members of the Labour Party in Scotland are eligible to be chosen as convener of the committee, and I invite a nomination.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Petroineos Grangemouth

Meeting date: 13 November 2024

Michelle Thomson

The convener mentioned the economic impact—I think that the figure is 2,822 jobs. Given that many services are shared, there are also concerns about job losses at the chemical plant as a result of the move to an import facility. Do you anticipate any job losses at the chemical plant? If so, how many?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Consumer Scotland

Meeting date: 13 November 2024

Michelle Thomson

My colleague Kevin Stewart asked about taking things up a level. The act of Parliament that underpins Consumer Scotland has five key areas of focus. For the record, the top two are reducing harm to consumers and increasing consumer confidence. How are those linked and do they imply a hierarchy of importance? In particular, is there any point in increasing consumer confidence if there is no resulting reduction in harm? I would like to understand how you square those up.