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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 July 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

What do you think the reason for that is?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

I am not asking for an accurate figure on a scale of zero to 10. My question specifically was: how confident are you that the figure of £198 million is accurate?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

That is the rub. In the figures that we have pulled out today, we have known unknowns—my colleague Ross Greer brought out some of those—but we also have unknown unknowns, about which none of us has a clue. Plus, there is your point that, if the bill were to be passed and become a success, the figures could be quite startling because of the increased provision that would be required.

This committee, including the Conservative members, is very vexed about fiscal sustainability. How do you think the unknown unknowns and known unknowns would factor into the fiscal sustainability of Scotland’s public finances if the bill were to be passed? What reflection have you given to that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

Okay—I get your point.

Have you done any research—you may well have done, and I have missed it—on other countries that have taken a legislative approach rather than a principled human rights approach, for example? Has any other country done this?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

If the bill does not go through as you intend, what is your plan B?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

Yes.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

I fully accept the necessity of inquiries being independent, but there is a tension between that, their cost and the value that they bring, and it is of principal interest.

Looking at your numbers, my understanding of the article from last September is that some contributory bodies, such as councils and Police Scotland, were unable to articulate their staff costs for supporting inquiries. That might be of interest, too, if we are going to look a little further at the issue. Can you dig out what you have on that? Particularly with the Eljamel inquiry starting and the fact that others are still running, it might be useful to start collecting those costs as we move forward with this.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

It was Gary Player who said, “The harder I practise, the luckier I get.”

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

The convener spoke about the extra £1.6 million for the Sheku Bayoh inquiry. I appreciate that you may not be across the annualised and total cost of public inquiries, but have you factored the need to get across them into your public sector reform work?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Michelle Thomson

When it comes to breaking all of this down, I am not clear how costs are collected, structurally speaking. For example, what are the set-up costs? Obviously, there will be accommodation costs, and I imagine that the convener’s or chair’s costs will be significant, too, but a significant amount will also be needed to support legal costs. It would be useful to get a sense of the quantum of that money.