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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Michelle Thomson

Thank you. That clears that up.

On a point that Craig Hoy made earlier, I was heartened to see data on back-office costs emerging. To my knowledge, it is the first time that we have had a hard figure for those, so that is good. On the comment that we will implement reporting on internal recruitment and monthly head counts in public bodies, I am surprised that that does not happen already, with monthly reports and management information showing the numbers that we have and the variance. I would have expected to see that as standard. Given that we now have a figure for back-office costs, which is heartening, I wonder how many of these data items we do not have.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Michelle Thomson

I thought that it would be useful to have some colour on that, because, as I have been fond of reminding people, the Scottish Fiscal Commission’s report about getting to net zero makes it clear that the UK Government cannot do that without Scotland and that Scotland cannot do it without the UK Government. Fundamentally, the fiscal framework as it stands is completely inadequate to get us to where we need to be. Therefore, I thought that the response was somewhat perfunctory—you missed the opportunity to set out why you agree with us. Also, if you agree with us, why did you say “Noted” and not “Agreed”?

Meeting of the Parliament

Employer National Insurance Contributions

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Michelle Thomson

We, in Parliament, know that policy making often results in unintended consequences. However, for this UK Government policy, we can be clear not only that the consequences can be predicted but that they have been planned. The UK Government knew that the rise in national insurance contributions would place a direct burden on the workers that it still wants to pretend that it supports.

As any competent economist will tell you, the legal assignment of national insurance contributions—which, in this case, is to employers—is irrelevant to who ends up bearing the cost of them. To be technical for a minute, what matters is the elasticity of labour supply and demand, or how sensitive the decisions of employers and workers are to wage changes and costs. Since firms’ demand for labour is generally more elastic than workers’ supply of labour, that suggests that most of the burden of employer NICs will be shifted on to employees through a drop in wage growth and a loss of jobs.

Meeting of the Parliament

Employer National Insurance Contributions

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Michelle Thomson

I think that the crucial words are “at the moment.” I am setting out clearly how that position will shift as a direct consequence of the policy.

The Labour UK Government has created in its explanation a new concept: the elasticity of truth. It is trying to hoodwink the workers, who, along with the public, will pay. The negative effect of the employer national insurance hike will not happen all at once. The OBR forecasts that workers will bear around 60 per cent initially, rising to 76 per cent in the medium term. Employers, too, will have to find other ways of absorbing the remaining costs.

The immediate reaction of business demonstrated a waning of confidence. As we know, business confidence is critical for growth; a lack of it also leads to a postponement in recruitment and the shelving of investment plans.

There is not only a rise in the employer rate from 13.8 per cent to 15 per cent; there is a huge drop in the earnings level threshold from £9,100 to £5,000. Both of those moves can only limit growth, which is the antithesis of what the UK Government states that it wants. We are not talking about marginal effects, as the Government expects to raise an additional £24.5 billion annually.

We are told that some smaller businesses will benefit from a rise in the employment allowance from £5,000 to £10,500. That is true, and it is very welcome. However, as ever, the devil is in the detail. If someone’s business is doing more than half of its work in the public sector—which, most notably, might be for local councils and NHS services—they are barred from claiming the allowance. That will exclude thousands of Scotland’s small businesses. A very small company with only one director who is the only employee and is liable for secondary class 1 NICs cannot claim either. As we know, there are many such small businesses in every constituency in Scotland.

At the start of my speech, I referenced unintended consequences. It is disappointing that the UK Government knows fine well the consequences and that it has chosen to direct those consequences at employees. Its elasticity with the truth is perhaps no surprise. It is up to us in Scotland to expose the uncomfortable truth and support as best we can businesses and workers alike.

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Meeting of the Parliament

Grangemouth

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Michelle Thomson

I welcome the moves to, for example, provide PACE support, hold a careers fair and carry out a skills audit, and I absolutely welcome the £25 million funding. If the intention is to expedite potential project Willow proposals, the recent leak of the report points to truly eye-watering sums of money that will be required. Presumably, that funding will come entirely from the UK Government, given that the majority of the proposals would require capital investment. Will the First Minister outline whether he has had the chance to discuss that with the Prime Minister? Given his statement today, will he outline how he thinks that that investment will mitigate the loss of the existing skills base, particularly with regard to the all-important chemical cluster in that area?

Meeting of the Parliament

Employer National Insurance Contributions

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Michelle Thomson

[Made a request to intervene.]

Meeting of the Parliament

General Question Time

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Michelle Thomson

I thank the minister for putting on the record that the draft budget includes £5 million for that. I note that that increase came about during budget negotiations.

On a recent visit to Strathcarron hospice, which provides invaluable end-of-life care for almost 500 patients and families in central Scotland, I was fortunate to speak to staff and learn more about the quite incredible work that they do. However, the chief executive told me that one of the challenges that it faces is Labour’s employer national insurance increase. That will put additional pressure on its budget, which is largely funded by donations. Although the increased budget commitment is hugely welcome, what update can the Scottish Government provide on a new national funding framework for hospice care in Scotland to help mitigate the longer-term impacts of Labour’s damaging policy?

Meeting of the Parliament

First Minister’s Question Time

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Michelle Thomson

Yesterday, 435 workers at the Grangemouth refinery in my Falkirk East constituency were given redundancy notices, and refining will cease at the end of June. Despite statements from the Prime Minister, and from the leader of the Labour Party in Scotland, who promised to

“step in to save the jobs at the refinery”

and

“put hundreds of millions of pounds behind it”,

the UK Government has instead prioritised eight sites—none of which are in Scotland—for the likes of sustainable aviation fuel.

I understand the need to transition, but the “just” in just transition has turned into “just wait” for the workers, the wider cluster and the community. Will the First Minister join me in condemning the United Kingdom Government for its lack of action? Will he set out what specific steps the Scottish Government is taking right now to support the workers and ensure that there remains a skills cluster from which to transition?

Meeting of the Parliament

General Question Time

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Michelle Thomson

To ask the Scottish Government how it plans to invest in the hospice care sector, in light of the £4 million referred to in the draft budget 2025-26. (S6O-04301)

Economy and Fair Work Committee

City Region and Regional Growth Deals

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Michelle Thomson

Thank you very much for that comment.

I have one tiny question about small and medium-sized enterprises and women-led businesses. Obviously, all the deals are entirely different, but it is not unfair to say that the argument about the need for a seat at the table for SMEs and a focus on women-led businesses—as you will know, that is an interest of mine—is not always heard. We recently took evidence from the Federation of Small Businesses and Women’s Enterprise Scotland, and the evidence on that was fairly mixed. Are you giving any guidance across the entirety of the city and regional growth deals on the need to keep a relentless focus on making sure that SMEs and women-led businesses get a fair share of the pie?