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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 23 September 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scotland’s Supply Chain

Meeting date: 10 November 2021

Michelle Thomson

Thank you.

As a final word, do you have anything to add to that, Paul?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scotland’s Supply Chain

Meeting date: 10 November 2021

Michelle Thomson

Good morning, everybody. It is nice to join you, albeit remotely. I have a couple of short questions.

The first is for Mark Logan. I am interested in your comments about the pace of change, creativity, entrepreneurs and so on. What can be done to utilise the creatives? I say that as someone who initially did a music degree and who quickly came to understand it, and describe it, as precision engineering, due to the accuracy required to produce certain types of music.

Subsequently, I did a postgraduate qualification in IT. I was told at the time, and then at the company for which I eventually went to work, that I had been recruited because of evidence of creativity. The company wanted that creativity in its IT department. Therefore, it seems to me that, in business and in the Government, at whatever level, there is not necessarily the understanding of how creative the creatives are, and how useful they can be in IT.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scotland’s Supply Chain

Meeting date: 10 November 2021

Michelle Thomson

My second and last question is for Paul Hunter and/or Professor Simms. It is a slightly cheeky one. It strikes me that we do not have that many people who understand supply chains. Even so-called supply chain directors might just be logistics specialists or procurement specialists. That is my perception. Does Professor Simms or Paul Hunter have a view on that? Do we fundamentally have too few people who understand what supply chains are, given our background of being in Europe?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Transition to Net Zero (Financial Support)

Meeting date: 6 October 2021

Michelle Thomson

I think in that case, it falls to me to engender a little cynicism in the discussion.

We could probably all agree that true sustainability is underpinned by a golden ethical thread, if you like. I suspect that all of you on the panel, as exemplars, will privately be aware of companies that are, frankly, taking advantage of consumer demand for the changes that we all want—the so-called greenwashing. I would appreciate some examples from your SME level—obviously do not name any businesses—of what you would consider to be greenwashing.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Transition to Net Zero (Financial Support)

Meeting date: 6 October 2021

Michelle Thomson

It strikes me that government—I am talking about all government across the piece—might choose to engage with larger more established businesses, because that is often where its channels are. However, a lot of the change in the sector is coming from businesses such as yours, which experience very rapid growth and are more fleet of foot. Does that cause a disconnect, in general terms?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Transition to Net Zero (Financial Support)

Meeting date: 6 October 2021

Michelle Thomson

Let us have the last words from Michael Cusack and Paul O’Keeffe, who has not had a chance to comment on this topic.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Transition to Net Zero (Financial Support)

Meeting date: 6 October 2021

Michelle Thomson

Are you reporting against those measures annually or every three years? Is that just set as an ambition?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Transition to Net Zero (Financial Support)

Meeting date: 6 October 2021

Michelle Thomson

That would be useful, thank you. How about Triodos?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Transition to Net Zero (Financial Support)

Meeting date: 6 October 2021

Michelle Thomson

In some respects, I appreciate that I was being unfair in asking that, but, on legislators’ understanding of the transition, you have correctly identified that interim moves could be claimed to be greenwashing. A classic example is to say that zero waste is going to landfill, when 50 per cent might be incinerated and ultimately end up in landfill. You have correctly highlighted some of the transitional points that businesses might go through in scoping out the various options.

My final question is this: how would you help legislators to understand the transitional steps from your perspective, and the complexity that you have highlighted? John Ferguson did not have a chance to answer the previous question, so do you want to come in here?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Transition to Net Zero (Financial Support)

Meeting date: 6 October 2021

Michelle Thomson

I draw the attention of the panel to the fact that I am an ambassador of the all-party parliamentary group for fair business banking, which took part in the bankers for net zero work that has been mentioned.

Some say that there is a paradox between the endless drive for profit and the drive to reach net zero. Arguably, that is nowhere more evident than in our financial system. I want to ask the bankers, first of all, about the banks reaching net zero. Have your pension schemes set targets for when they will reach net zero and do you measure that? I see that Fraser Sime is nodding, so I ask him to respond first, then Simon Crichton.