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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 September 2025
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Meeting of the Parliament

Portfolio Question Time

Meeting date: 26 October 2023

Michelle Thomson

The roll-out of universal free school meals for all pupils in primaries 1 to 5 and in additional support needs education settings has been startling. Will the cabinet secretary provide an update on the uptake of free school meals in general?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Michelle Thomson

Dr Scott, you were obviously joking when you said that you would take a red pen to the bill, but what I hear from what you have described—I do not want to put words in your mouth—is that you are perhaps concerned that, in talking about what amendments are possible, there is a risk that they might be too superficial.

I am new to the committee, but, given what I have heard, it is almost as though consideration of the rights of victims has been completely removed from the process. Does the bill need to be completely turned on its head so that it has a rapier-like focus on victims throughout? That would be a much more substantive change than some potentially gentle amendments at stage 2. I would like you to flesh out your statement about a red pen a bit more.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Michelle Thomson

It is.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Michelle Thomson

I have a quick supplementary question. As a member of the Finance and Public Administration Committee, I am, probably unsurprisingly, incredibly struck by the increase in cost of 42 per cent from the original financial memorandum. That obviously leads me to consider confidence going forward, particularly in relation to the unknown unknowns. I also have questions about confidence in the known things as more detail emerges.

If you had to put a number on it—where zero means you have no confidence and 10 means you have absolute confidence—how confident are you that the remaining process will flush out the unknown unknowns and that the financial provisioning can then be put in place?

My wee worry, based on previous experience, is that the bill will become more embedded—which will happen as it goes through the stages—but by that point we will have run out of money and we will have to squeeze it in to processes in your organisations.

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I am trying to flesh that out a wee bit and hear about your level of confidence, because 42 per cent is a startling increase—it really is unbelievable. I am not necessarily asking you all to comment, but do comment if you have any reflections about confidence. In other words, is enough money going to be available?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Michelle Thomson

Jillian Gibson, I see you nodding. Do you want to come in?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Michelle Thomson

I will come on to that. My question is for either Kirsty McGuire or Jim Jack. Where is the range or number of ranges that are so vast by quantum that you think that they are almost worse than useless? You have put a lot of information on the table today, but I am trying to establish where the ranges are so vast that you think, “Well, this now becomes largely meaningless.”

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Michelle Thomson

No, no—I am not looking for anything in particular. I am just trying to get a measure on the table. You can choose between four and five. It is not a trick question.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Michelle Thomson

I put the same question to Kirsty McGuire and Jim Jack. What do you think should happen now to move us on from where we are, in terms of co-design or secondary legislation?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Michelle Thomson

Okay—thank you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Michelle Thomson

Good morning. Thank you for all the information that you have given so far. The session has brought out the considerable uncertainty about and complexity of what we are doing.

As the convener has pointed out, an FM should show the margins of uncertainty for any estimate. I often search for key words to get a picture. There is not any particular disclaimer of uncertainty but, if you search for the word “range” and look at the ranges, you will see that the ranges are vast in the estimates. Some of the figures for regulation range from £30,000 to £200,000. Basically, the bigger the range, the higher the uncertainty and the less accurate the estimate. I want to get your sense of that from a confidence point of view. A lot of information has come out this morning but, in addition to what you have already said, are there any particular areas where the range of estimate expressing uncertainty is so utterly huge as to be worth not very much at all?

Charlie Devine, you smiled at me, so you can go first.