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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 23 September 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

That speaks to a cultural issue, does it not, John Sturrock?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

That leads back to the Government.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

On that note, and picking up a point that the convener has made, there are surely two bare minimums. By way of disclosure, I note that, in one of my multiple previous lives, I ran large-scale so-called transformational change programmes for corporates. As programme manager, I would collate the terms of reference and the structure. I would head the programme and multiple project managers would report to me, while a project management office would deal with the gubbins. We would have a change control process and a clear established budget. There is no way that a project with a budget of even £500,000 would not have a proper, clear governance structure to manage costs, but that is contrary to what we are talking about.

To flesh out the idea, I note that that is one route, but there will be others. We need to know to what extent lawyers understand that they are not equipped to do that sort of thing—in fairness, they need not be, as that is not their role. They bring expertise in the law and huge capacity for attention to detail. Is that generally recognised or is there a tension in that, if that tidiness is not already in place, it may suit some law firms because, ultimately, it will result in increased billable hours and, therefore, profit?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

I think that you maketh my point.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

In either of those instances, did the communication include questions about the cost and the on-going governance?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

I would dispute that, as a politician, but do carry on.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

Do you want to comment on that, Mr Campbell?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

But it is public money—that is the difference.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

I am just asking you to speak for yourself.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Michelle Thomson

What is your direct experience, Mr Campbell?