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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 July 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Karen Adam

Good morning, and welcome to the 15th meeting in 2025, in session 6, of the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee. We have received apologies this morning from Pam Gosal and Paul O’Kane.

Our first agenda item is a decision whether to take in private agenda item 3, which is consideration of our work programme. Given that a number of members are not present today, I am minded to postpone that item until a future meeting. Do we agree to do that?

Members indicated agreement.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

British Sign Language Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Karen Adam

Agenda item 2 item is the first of our evidence-taking sessions for our British Sign Language inquiry. As part of the inquiry, the committee is exploring whether the British Sign Language (Scotland) Act 2015, the current BSL plan and listed authority plans are improving the lives of BSL users, and what changes could be made in the shorter and longer term to improve users’ lives. I refer members to papers 1 and 2.

I very much welcome the first of this morning’s two panels. We are joined by Alana Harper, chief executive officer, Deaf Links; Avril Hepner, BSL Scotland manager, British Deaf Association Scotland; and Dr Hannah Tweed, Scottish sensory hub manager, Health and Social Care Alliance Scotland, which is known as the ALLIANCE. Let me say, in BSL, good morning and welcome to the Scottish Parliament and the equalities committee. Thank you for coming.

We have scheduled an hour and a half for this discussion. We have not scheduled any breaks, but please indicate to me or the clerk if a break would be helpful.

We will now move to questions, and I will kick off. When, in our call for views, we asked about the impact of the 2015 act, we had some positive feedback about its increasing visibility and recognition of BSL as a language and about successes such as Contact Scotland BSL. Even so, the service has faced the prospect of closure twice, and we also heard that meeting the aims of the act comes with some challenges, such as limited funding and having the resource available to support it. Moreover, many referred to the lack of interpreters and investment in BSL education.

First, then, what have been the positive impacts of the BSL act, and what are the main challenges? I would like to come to Avril Hepner first.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

British Sign Language Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Karen Adam

That was really helpful—thank you.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

British Sign Language Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Karen Adam

Yes, it is really helpful. We will move to questions from Maggie Chapman.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

British Sign Language Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Karen Adam

Thank you and welcome back. We move to questions from Tess White.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

British Sign Language Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Karen Adam

Thank you for that. That is a great crossover, because, for the past three weeks, we have been doing an inquiry into legal aid.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

British Sign Language Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Karen Adam

Thank you. We will move to questions from Marie McNair.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

British Sign Language Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Karen Adam

Thank you. Just before Evelyn Tweed asks her questions, I want to ask a follow-up question. If you have this information to hand, that is great; if not, we could perhaps get it after the meeting. Is it right to say that the attainment gap for deaf children is significantly wide? Alana Harper, do you want to come in on that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

British Sign Language Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Karen Adam

Thank you. Lucy, we have had feedback that there is sometimes pressure for assimilation, I suppose that we could call it, into the hearing world. How important is it to you that BSL is protected as a language and a culture?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

British Sign Language Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Karen Adam

Thank you, Avril. Can you tell us some of the challenges that there have been, perhaps with implementing some of the actions?