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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 13 July 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Karen Adam

Conveners are already elected—they are elected to this place by a fair, democratic process. I do not think that the election of a convener would change the effectiveness of that position or that person at all. In fact, it might cause more party politics to come into play.

It is a reasonable discussion and a good debate to have, though. I think—

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Karen Adam

We are encouraged to ensure that, when we are scrutinising at committee, we are doing so objectively. However, the point is that we are here and that we align with our party political values. There are many times when we will agree with what is being said by those who are in the same political party as us. However, it is important to impress upon members that important scrutiny is undermined when there is opposition for opposition’s sake; that is the flipside to having agreeableness for agreeableness’s sake.

We are encouraged to go in there as members and cast a critical eye, because robust scrutiny is important to making the best law possible for the people of Scotland. As I said at the beginning, robust scrutiny means that we have a robust Government, so it is encouraged.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Karen Adam

There would be limitations with smaller committees. There may be a smaller pool of diverse voices to hear from. An inquiry that was done at Westminster found that the most effective committees had between six and 12 members, because that gives the best diversity of views. The gender-sensitive audit that the Scottish Parliament did showed that it is equally important to take into consideration the need to have a broad range of views from women’s perspectives as well.

My concern would be that, with a smaller committee, we might be cancelling out voices that could have an input that would improve not only scrutiny overall but the outcomes for people. We need that proportional representation as much as possible, in every possible respect. I know that, in reality, that can be hard to achieve, but we should be reaching for that.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Karen Adam

Yes, of course. I will take the party hat off.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Karen Adam

We already have the flexibility for committees to sit twice a week if they wish to. Previously, my committee has met in the evenings, and we have had away days and work programme planning days. The committees framework already allows us the flexibility to do that; it is for the conveners and committee members to discuss whether they would like to do it. They can already decide to set aside specific weekdays on which to scrutinise bills.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Karen Adam

On that point, we had a really good example on Tuesday evening of how the Parliament can work exceptionally well across parties. We have taken party politics out of the discussion and scrutiny of that particular bill—

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Karen Adam

Yes, I mean that they were originally elected to this Parliament in a fair and democratic election. MSPs have already been elected on the premise that they will play various roles here. An individual MSP being seen for their qualities by those within their group who know them the best is, I think, the most effective way of making that decision.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Karen Adam

There are on-going discussions with the leadership of the party on who would be most effective. There is on-going scrutiny of all the members within our group and party and of what is happening at the time as well.

I have never been in the position of making those decisions and I can only surmise what is going through people’s minds when they are making them. However, I think that it is important that there are a variety of views and that a variety of people make those decisions as well, so it is not just one person who is deciding.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Karen Adam

We are here to uphold democracy and to be the voice of the people who elected us to come here. That includes scrutinising the Government and making good law, but that scrutiny does not stop when a bill is presented at stage 1; it is an on-going process, because law and democracy are living entities that we must continually scrutinise to make them the best we can. It is the duty of Parliament and its committees to uphold that.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Karen Adam

I apologise.