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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 July 2025
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Meeting of the Parliament

Women’s State Pensions (Compensation)

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Marie McNair

I certainly have read the report. I thought that Paul O’Kane was standing up to apologise to our WASPI women and explain why your party is refusing to pay compensation to them. He absolutely did not do that; in effect, all I got was political spin and an aggressive, shouty man.

To move on, I call on colleagues opposite to get off your knees and honestly push for full and fair compensation for these women.

Recent figures show that the change to pension age affected more than 13,000 women in my constituency. Liz Daly, a co-ordinator of WASPI Scotland, is one of the women who were affected. Liz was expecting to retire at 60 in December 2015. In the summer of 2014, her husband took ill and was hospitalised for months. When he was discharged with a walking frame and a feeding tube, Liz took compassionate leave and later reduced her working hours to care for her husband. During a work meeting, she found out that she would not be able to retire at 60 after all, but by that point she had already reduced her hours and the other half of her post had been filled. All that had happened without her knowing that the pension age had changed. Liz was faced with an impossible situation and undue stress while taking care of her sick husband, and when her husband died, in 2018, she was only earning half pay.

Choices were removed for Liz and many other women. Had they known about the change, they could have prepared and made different choices and decisions. Liz’s story is heartbreaking, but it is important to hear. These real women have faced a terrible injustice while already being at a disadvantage. Historically, they have earned lower pay on average during their working lives or experienced interrupted careers because of caring for children or acting as unpaid carers. They have also had less state pension entitlement than men, due to earning less than the national insurance lower earning limit and spending less time in the labour market. As is noted in a policy briefing from Age Scotland, a 2024 report by the Pensions Policy Institute found that, by their late 50s, women’s pension wealth is equivalent to less than two thirds of men’s.

Those women were robbed of their pension and there is simply no justification for the Labour Party to deny them compensation. Unfortunately, time is not on their side. Sadly many WASPI women have passed away without receiving compensation. Since the decision on 19 December—I am sure that this is the figure—3,500 women have sadly passed away. That is absolutely shocking.

WASPI women have shown determination and courage, but Labour has absolutely forgotten about them. WASPI women have spent considerable time advocating for change and raising awareness of their plight, and they do not deserve to be betrayed in this way by the Labour Party. They must be compensated. The SNP is on the WASPI women’s side, and we will remain so.

Labour has called for a change of direction, but it is, unfortunately, already giving the people of Scotland one. This is one of the most right-wing Labour Governments in history, and that is saying something. The current Government makes Gordon Brown look like Fidel Castro. I understand why a former Labour MSP has said this about Keir Starmer:

“There’s something deeply wrong and sinister about someone who takes apparent delight in making children, pensioners and the low paid poorer and their lives more difficult—it is immoral, shameful and disgusting.”

That is from one of your Labour guys. I do not get that one, but there we go.

What reasonable person could disagree that Labour’s treatment of WASPI women has been and continues to be disgusting? Pre-election, Labour members called for WASPI women to be compensated and posed for photos with them, but post-election, they say that compensating WASPI women is an unreasonable burden on the taxpayer.

Only one Government in the UK stands with WASPI women, and that is the SNP Government. Despite Labour’s student politics shenanigans, the WASPI women know that. They know that Labour has betrayed them, and they will never forget it.

Meeting of the Parliament

Women’s State Pensions (Compensation)

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Marie McNair

Last week, I spoke in my colleague Kenneth Gibson’s members’ business debate on a motion that called for compensation for the WASPI women. It was important to speak in firm support of the WASPI women and to have WASPI women in the chamber, including some of my constituents. I welcome them here again today.

I said last week, and I will say again today, that,

“Despite the ombudsman’s report being clear on the failures of the UK Government ... and being crystal clear that compensation is owed,”—[Official Report, 15 January 2025; c 102.]

Labour’s policy is to ignore that. That position contradicts what Labour said to get elected in 2024. A conscious choice was made to use these women to get elected, only to abandon them straight after the election.

Labour promised change, but all the WASPI women got was betrayal and deception. When the Labour Government can promise tax breaks to the wealthy but not compensation for WASPI women, it is clear how much it values pensioners. It is a question not of money but of Labour’s priorities.

In its amendment, so-called Scottish Labour attempts to wipe away any notion that it wants full compensation for women. In his speech, Paul O’Kane spoke about options. What options? A handshake? A medal? A “New Labour” mug? Some Marks and Spencer vouchers? It is complete and utter nonsense.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security Scotland

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Marie McNair

I will pass on some positive feedback to you. Your outreach teams in your locality bases are working really well. I have had a lot of positive feedback from constituents who are engaging face to face with them, and they have also supported me in a few of my cost of living events. Thank you. If you could feed that back, that would be great.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security Scotland

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Marie McNair

How does Social Security Scotland’s practice of overpayment recovery differ from that of the DWP?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security Scotland

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Marie McNair

Good morning, panel, and thanks again for the invite to visit your headquarters. I have been a few times and have always found that beneficial for my knowledge.

Over the years, the risks of overpayment of carers allowance have been highlighted. Do you envisage similar risks with carer support payment? If you do, what are you doing to minimise those risks?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security Scotland

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Marie McNair

It is good to hear that assurance. Going forward, will there be any change in the organisation’s debt recovery practice?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security Scotland

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Marie McNair

Thanks—that is helpful.

Meeting of the Parliament

Portfolio Question Time

Meeting date: 15 January 2025

Marie McNair

Does the cabinet secretary agree that, despite increased funding from the Scottish Government to local authorities, Labour’s public-private partnership repayments and the national insurance hike are having a significant impact on councils’ ability to balance their budgets?

Meeting of the Parliament

Women Against State Pension Inequality (Compensation)

Meeting date: 15 January 2025

Marie McNair

I am pleased to speak in the debate and I congratulate my colleague, Kenneth Gibson, on securing it. I, too, welcome our WASPI women who are in the public gallery tonight—it is great to see women from my constituency here.

How society treats pensioners and those who are most vulnerable is a measure of our humanity. The decision by the UK Labour Government not to compensate the WASPI women, who have worked tirelessly throughout their lives, tells us everything that we need to know about how the Labour Government values pensioners. Despite the ombudsman’s report being clear on the failures of the UK Government and of the DWP, and being crystal clear that compensation is owed, the Labour Government has ignored that. It is an appalling decision and a complete betrayal of the WASPI women. Those women were robbed of their pensions, and there is simply no justification for the UK Government to deny them compensation.

In my constituency, the decision will affect more than 4,700 women in East Dunbartonshire and 6,000 in West Dunbartonshire. The decision not only contradicts the recommendations in the ombudsman’s report, but contradicts what Labour said to get elected in 2024. For years, Labour MPs and MSPs have stated that they support the WASPI women and have promised to help deliver justice. Anas Sarwar said:

“Under my leadership, WASPI women will finally receive the justice they deserve”.

Just back in May, Paul O’Kane said:

“Labour is very clear that we support the principles contained in the PHSO report, which includes the principle that we must compensate those women.”—[Official Report, 1 May 2024; c 45.]

I could go on and on. Labour promised change, but all that the WASPI women got was betrayal and deception.

In June, just prior to the general election, I spoke in a WASPI debate that was brought to the chamber by my colleague, Clare Haughey. In my speech, I said that

“there will be no change under a”

Labour Government, and that the Labour Party had

“decided that WASPI women do not matter to it”—[Official Report, 19 June 2024; c 92-93.]

any more. I am sure that I was not alone in saying that.

Only six months later, we were proved right. Days after the announcement, I stood in solidarity with WASPI women outside the Parliament, and I look forward to meeting with WASPI women across my constituency in the coming weeks. The decision was a huge and devastating blow to the WASPI women and I stand firm with them. Time is, unfortunately, not on their side, and I know that, sadly, many WASPI women have passed away without receiving any compensation. They have received setbacks before, and in the face of those setbacks they have remained courageous and determined. They have put the work in and have campaigned tirelessly for a decade now, and it is time for them to see action and to see money in their bank accounts.

With a Labour UK Government, however, I do not expect to see change any time soon. I welcome Katy Clark’s contribution tonight, and I urge her and her colleagues to put pressure on Keir Starmer and to stand up to him to bring about justice for our WASPI women. We do not want to continue using the WASPI women as photo opportunities—we want to stand firm with them. Only time will tell, but as of now, it is as clear as day that only the SNP will champion the WASPI women’s right to fair and fast compensation, and only the SNP will continue to stand with them and push the UK Government to take action.

 

18:24  

Meeting of the Parliament

Portfolio Question Time

Meeting date: 15 January 2025

Marie McNair

To ask the Scottish Government how it plans to support East Dunbartonshire and West Dunbartonshire councils, as part of the local government settlement for 2025-26. (S6O-04194)