“Commonwealth Games 2014 Progress report 2: Planning for the delivery of the XXth Games”
Item 2 is consideration of the section 23 report “Commonwealth Games 2014 Progress report 2: Planning for the delivery of the XXth Games”. I welcome Robert Black, Angela Cullen, and Carolyn Smith from Audit Scotland. Mr Black, the Auditor General for Scotland, will present the report.
This Audit Scotland report was prepared for the Accounts Commission—because Glasgow City Council is a major participant in planning for the games—as well as for me. It was published on 22 March. As we are all aware, the games start in July 2014, just over two years from now. The games involve some planning challenges because of the specialist nature of the venture. It is a large and complex project with an immoveable deadline and there are many partners involved.
To build on that final point, it seems to me that the report is broadly positive. Clearly, I was not involved in the committee when it looked at your first progress report, but that led the committee to take evidence and produce a report making a series of recommendations. Will you comment further on progress between the first report and the work that the committee did then, and this stage? To what degree and with what effect have the recommendations that were made at that time been implemented?
In appendix 2 of the report, which is on pages 36 and 37, we have provided a readable summary of progress against the previous recommendations. The summary uses a traffic-light system to state whether each recommendation had been fully implemented or was in progress when we looked at it in November. One recommendation, on estimating the cost of plans to manage and mitigate risks, had not been accepted by Glasgow City Council. It still does not accept that recommendation, and we comment on that in the report. That is the only recommendation from the previous work of Audit Scotland and the Public Audit Committee that has not been taken forward. Of the rest, 17 have been fully implemented and seven have had good progress made against them.
So it would be fair to say the report is positive about the response to Audit Scotland’s previous work.
Yes. There has been a positive response to that work.
Good.
On balance, it would be reasonable to expect that the security planning will come slightly later in the planning process. Clearly, it will be essential to know what the venues look like, to have clarity about everything to do with the movement of people, and to know how the events will be managed. Her Majesty’s inspector of constabulary has produced a report on the security aspects. The team will be able to tell you a little bit more about what is in that.
I absolutely agree with the Auditor General. There is a combination of the two factors that the convener mentioned: we do not know what the security situation will be in 2014, and security planning is at an early stage. It has not necessarily been decided yet what the venues will be used for or how many people will be at them. That level of security planning has not yet been completed, but work is under way on that.
The report identifies a specific risk with venue security in that there might be a shortage of trained and appropriate staff when the time comes, so that even if the budget is right come the time, it will be difficult to find the right people. Is that fair?
The report picks up on that point, which was picked up by the last Commonwealth Games Federation review that looked at security. The Commonwealth Games Federation is carrying out a more detailed technical review of security planning. I imagine that the results of that will be known in the next few weeks. It will give more details about how security planning has advanced since we looked at it in November.
So work is under way that might address some of these issues.
Yes.
I have met the organising committee on a number of occasions and, each time I do, I am incredibly impressed at how it is emphasised from the very top level that the legacy is the most important thing. There is a real understanding that, although the games are the centrepiece and are therefore incredibly important, they will last for two weeks out of a 10-year project. In fact, the project will last even longer than 10 years. I take my hat off to the members of the organising committee.
We, too, were impressed with the commitment to taking legacy planning seriously. Given that the games are still more than two years away, exhibit 8 demonstrates that some relevant and strategic thinking has gone into the planning. It would be unreasonable to expect the planning to be much further down the road at this early stage. In my opening remarks, I mentioned how some benefits are already being delivered through the letting of contracts and the creation of apprenticeships and so on in association with the games. I am sure that the team will be able to say a bit more about that.
We highlight some of the legacy benefits that the partners have already identified. Scottish companies won 133 of the 171 contracts that were awarded through the Commonwealth games business portal between October 2009 and October 2011. Scottish companies have also won 158 London 2012 contracts. As a result of staging the games, Scotland has also attracted other high-profile events, such as the world junior track cycling and world youth netball championships. Legacy benefits are already coming through.
Thank you. I agree with the Auditor General. There is a clear focus on the legacy. However, an eyebrow may be raised in concern at the fact that, although 40 projects have already been developed and many more legacy projects are in the pipeline, no fund has yet been created. Does that worry you? Have you heard noises from the Government or local authorities that they intend to create a legacy fund?
In talking about the future, by and large, we use the language of risk rather than prediction, and the achievement of the full legacy potential might well be at risk because of the resource constraints on local authorities and other partners. Unfortunately, we cannot do more than mention that that might be an issue.
Perhaps the committee might follow that up.
The velodrome is an interesting development. I do not have to tell the committee that it is located at the heart of an area of deprivation and relatively low incomes. The vision that the council has of encouraging community involvement offers the prospect of a template that could be used for similar developments.
When I visited it, I was impressed with how much thought had gone into that.
One of the recommendations in the report is that the Government should ensure that public sector organisations have allocated the resources that they will need to deliver the Commonwealth games. Now that those organisations know their budgets, in general terms, for the next three years, has any direction been given by the Government on the proportion of those budgets that should be reserved to cover the cost of the games?
I do not think that we have any evidence of that sort of direction being given, and I am not sure that I would expect that to happen. It is for the major agencies that are involved to determine their priorities within the budgets that they hold. As I mentioned earlier—in response to the convener’s question about security, I think—a lot of work still has to go into planning the detail of the security arrangements and the associated costs.
I welcome the report, which is quite positive. It is encouraging to see that so much is happening on time and on schedule. I have three questions. First, paragraphs 38 and 85 both refer to an old favourite of the committee—the gathering of data and information in connection with projects. How serious is the lack of data that is referred to?
That is a difficult call to make. My colleagues and I at Audit Scotland are acutely conscious of the fact that we like data. Generally speaking, in the Scottish public sector—as, I am sure, Mr Beattie will recall—there is a recurrent theme about the quality of the management information that people use. Overall, however, the planning for this project is going well. There are certain areas about which we would, on balance, like to see more information, but I would not wish to give the committee the impression that we think that there are significant shortcomings that it should be concerned about.
The availability of information was a theme of our first report, but that was at a much earlier stage. This time, we found that a lot of improvement had been made in response to that. However, as is the case whenever you start improving, there are still more improvements to be made. The Government has made progress in capturing information but, as we say in paragraph 38, it now
Overall, that seems to be reasonably encouraging.
That relates to the security costs of bringing athletes and officials from airports and transporting them around during the games. That aspect was picked up in the report to which we referred. It did not give any more details about that, so the issue could be broader.
Are we talking about people to escort athletes and officials from airports, for example? Will physical security be provided? What is the security?
The security details and the planning for security for the officials and athletes have not been finalised, so we are not exactly sure what the security will be at this stage. It may involve security guards being with officials and athletes at certain locations.
So you are really just looking at a line in the document.
Yes.
My final question is about part 4. The report says:
We are saying very much the second. We recognise that, as the tempo of activity builds up towards the start of the games, a huge amount of effort will go in in almost countless different ways. We offer the cautionary note that there needs to be awareness at the highest level of all the working groups and project teams that have been established, as much clarity about their roles and interrelationships as possible, and a good understanding by the different groups of their respective roles. In that way, we hope that the chances of delay and confusion can be avoided. We are not doing anything more than making a general cautionary statement at this point.
You said “at the highest level”. Will the organising committee be responsible for at least keeping an overview to ensure that things do not become so complex that they start to undermine the organisation?
The organising committee is key, but I should also mention the Glasgow 2014 strategic group and the working group that reports to it. That body has the overview of everything, including the involvement of all the public sector agencies other than the lead partners.
I want to ask about contract compliance and the management of risk in contracts. Obviously, those matters are a significant part of your on-going assessments of how well the project is moving forward. What role, if any, does the sponsoring department—in other words, central Government—play in assisting the organising committee with procurement and procurement advice?
The Scottish Government provides advice to the organising committee on its procurement, but Glasgow City Council has also provided support to the organising committee on setting up its policies and procedures on procurement.
Is it your assessment that Glasgow City Council and the Government are saying the same thing in their procurement advice?
We have not done an audit of procurement arrangements for the report. Audit Scotland might want to do something on that retrospectively, but we have not looked at any of that at this stage. However, I think that the general assurance that Carolyn Smith is giving you stands at the moment.
Very fairly, Carolyn Smith mentioned the number of contracts that have been awarded to Scottish companies. You would not be aware whether, in terms of the on-going work, any procurement advice was specific to that geographic point.
No.
It was more around putting procurement policies and procedures in place.
I have a couple questions about Hampden Park. I note from the current report that we are still considering the technical solution for the stadium. I recall that the last time that we looked at the issue, we did not know what the solution for the stadium would be. I understand that the capacity will be reduced from its present 52,000 to about 40,000 to accommodate the new running track. Do you have any concerns about the fact that a design solution for Hampden has not been chosen yet?
Again, the language is about risk as we see it at the moment. We attempted to capture the Hampden position in case study 1 on page 20. On the face of it, the issue looks relatively straightforward: the installation of a temporary track-and-field facility by raising the playing-field level by 1.5m. This is by far not my specialist subject, but my understanding from general conversation is that that is extremely complex and technical and that, for games at this level, it is really important that the technical solution works to the required standard.
I suppose that we just have to keep a close watching brief on how the technical solution emerges. I think that there will be a decision in May on the chosen option.
Is that a hypothetical question, given that the member for Kilmarnock is unlikely to be at Hampden again in the near future?
I was there twice.
The current report is the second in a series, and we have committed to producing another report after the event to pick up on the legacy issues.
Interestingly, although there was double the crowd at the cup final, the arrangements seemed to work much better in getting the supporters in and out of the stadium. I do not know why that was. Perhaps it was to do with earlier preparation or route planning by the police. The outcome was very successful—not just in transport terms, but in terms of the result of the match, which I was delighted about.
Willie Coffey mentioned Hampden. The other facility that seems to pose a risk is the athletes village, as paragraph 76 highlights. Given that it is due to be ready five months before the opening, there is not a lot of leeway. I was quite concerned to read that
There are probably two aspects to that, the first of which is the funding risk. I will pass over to the team to deal with issues relating to the site.
Yes, I can give some indication of those risks.
I am not familiar with such development projects, but I am slightly surprised to hear that some money is being taken from the Strathclyde pension fund. Is that what you said, Mr Black?
Yes.
Is that normal?
Yes. There is an issue about ensuring that the cashflow keeps flowing. Angela Cullen will keep me right on this, but my understanding is that there have been negotiations to take money from the Strathclyde pension fund, underwritten by Glasgow City Council.
Was that the pension fund for Strathclyde Regional Council, and is it now managed by Glasgow City Council?
The pension fund is clearly the owner of the funds and will make the loan available to the games, but it will be underwritten by Glasgow City Council to keep the money safe.
I presume that the pension fund is managed by its trustees.
Yes, that is correct.
Okay.
I can clarify the position. The application has been made to the pension fund but, at this stage, we do not know the outcome and whether the loan from the pension fund has been granted. As far as we are aware, at the moment, it is not definite that Strathclyde pension fund will contribute that funding.
It is the last sentence of paragraph 76 that I am concerned about. I hear what you say about utility companies and the removal of pylons. I appreciate that there are many different factors and significant risks. However, do you have any idea what the “increased public sector contribution” could be?
No, we do not.
You are saying that it is unlikely that there will be an additional public sector contribution over and above the two contingency funds.
I suspect that I am not saying that to the committee. I am saying that the planning arrangements are reasonable at this point in time.
Thank you.
I have a final question on something that the convener mentioned in relation to the recommendations in appendix 2. It is good to see that four out of the five recommendations for Glasgow City Council have been implemented. Councillor Archie Graham—who eats, sleeps and breathes the games—is doing a good job on that front. Like many members of the committee, I am a new member, and I do not know how these things work. Does the fact that one recommendation, about planning and the cost of managing risks, has not been implemented cause you concern, or are you fairly relaxed about that? Budgets are a key factor in the public perception of the success of an event.
We pursued the recommendation with Glasgow City Council, as you would expect. We made the recommendation for good reasons. We would expect the plans to mitigate risks to be costed, and a sensitivity analysis to be done, to give us an idea of what the range of costs might be.
To build on Angela Cullen’s point, it is probably helpful to distinguish between the costing of the risk, where there has been a conversation, and the preparation of a risk register. It is fair to say that the council has done good work on the risk register front and Audit Scotland will keep an eye on that.
Thank you for that clarification.
Yours was not quite the final question, Mr Yousaf; that privilege falls to me.
I encourage you to ask that question of the organising committee because we would not have that information.
Ask it of Ibrox.
I thank the Audit Scotland team and the committee. Once we move into private session, we can discuss how to proceed with the report.