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Chamber and committees

Public Petitions Committee

Meeting date: Tuesday, December 7, 2010


Contents


Current Petitions


Magazines and Newspapers (Display of Sexually Graphic Material) (PE1169)

The Convener

We have three current petitions to consider this afternoon. The first is PE1169, by Margaret Forbes, on behalf of Scottish Women Against Pornography. The petition calls on the Scottish Parliament to urge the Scottish Government to introduce and enforce measures to ensure that magazines and newspapers with sexually graphic covers are not displayed at or below children’s eye-level, or adjacent to children’s titles and comics, and are screen-sleeved before being placed on the shelf.

I ask for members’ views on how we progress the petition. We have been joined by Graham Ross, should members have any questions. We have talked previously about the possibility of doing some research.

Indeed we have. The issue is not going away. I recall hearing a small discussion on the subject on the radio within the past three days. I think that it was on “Women’s Hour”.

Yes, it was.

Robin Harper

That discussion brought home the problems of mothers whose young children ask questions about the magazines on low shelves. We must continue the petition. If my recollection of the previous meeting at which we considered the petition is correct, the feeling was that we should, in order to take it further, consider a small-scale research project.

It would be useful to get Graham Ross’s views.

Graham Ross (Scottish Parliament Research, Information and Reporting Group)

We have put a paper together. Basically, there are two options for research. The small-scale, short-term one would look at the level of compliance with the voluntary guidelines on display of such magazines. That would involve people going round and looking at different kinds of retail outlets that sell them, seeing what the level of compliance is, and finding out the retailer’s understanding of the guidelines.

That is a relatively short piece of work and we could do it, at a push, before dissolution. However, the committee has to be aware that we would be working to a really tight timescale. We would have to put a proposal for approval to the Conveners Group, whose next meeting is on 16 December. After approval, we would put together the specification for the research, which would go out to tender. We would receive bids after the end of the year and decide to whom to award the research contract. It would be up to the contractor to do the work and to report to us before dissolution, if the committee decided that that was what it wanted. The caveat is that the timescale would be tight, which means that the research might be slightly limited in its sample size and its depth of inquiry with retail managers about their understanding of the guidelines.

The other option that has been discussed relates to the review of the commercialisation and premature sexualisation of childhood. I understand that the committee has received a letter from Ed Vaizey at the Department for Culture, Media and Sport. That review will start at some point this month and is a much wider project; we could not even contemplate doing such work before the end of this parliamentary session.

If the committee was minded to do something, it would need to be the small-scale project.

Nigel Don

Do we need to get somebody else to do the research? I imagine that that was—roughly—what was going to be suggested. Does scope exist for us—I appreciate that my colleagues are not all here—to do the research?

We stay all around the country. If we found 10 outlets—two supermarkets, two reasonably big places, two high street newsagents and four corner shops which, I suspect, we could find within 2 miles of where we stay—we could measure the compliance level on a tick-box basis. Talking to managers about their understanding would require SPICe to give us a narrative, but no more than that. I suspect that the average MSP could find a way of doing that task, because of the kind of people we are. We could do that small-scale research over the next month or two—although Christmas does not help—and obtain data at virtually zero cost. That would give us an idea of what is going on.

Robin Harper

I was thinking along the lines of such complementary small-scale research. It is very important that we do the small-scale research, however small it is, to provide a kicking-off point for the next committee. It is clear that we will not make progress on the petition before dissolution. Given the amount of business that will be involved in setting up the fourth parliamentary session, the committee might have a slow start after dissolution. If the next committee has a baseplate that it can start with, that will provide probably six months to a year of progress beyond where we would be otherwise. Our committee numbers are down, but we know from the previous meeting at which we considered the petition that the committee is in favour of small-scale research, so I strongly recommend that we do that.

The issue is too important to be determined by costs, so it might be useful for us to follow Nigel Don’s suggestion and volunteer our services, to expand the scope of the work. I would be glad to do that.

The Convener

I have a concern about committee members undertaking research. I do not doubt their research skills, but the sample would be tiny. It is important that we do the research because we could feed it into the UK Government’s consideration of childhood sexualisation—I do not remember the review’s exact title. I am not saying that our research would not be credible, but external research would give us a larger sample and the research might be—I hesitate to say it—

Perhaps it might be more credible.

It might be more credible.

Nigel Don

That is all right. We know what you are saying and nobody will take offence.

I wonder about the sample size. If I was right in thinking that seven of us could look in 10 stores without too much trouble—we can do the arithmetic—how large a sample size could we pay for?

Graham Ross

We would have to take that into consideration when the bids came in. We would feed it in and ask people to indicate what kind of research team they would put together to do the work. In my experience, it is fairly easy to get a research team of five or half a dozen people to do 30 or 40 stores each. That is not a tiny sample. It takes slightly longer to conduct follow-up interviews to ask about understanding of the guidelines, why they are not being complied with or why people think that they should be. In the paper, I say that because timescales are tight, I have already contacted some research groups, with the proviso that the committee must still make a decision on the matter. Three people have said that they are ready to go, should we ask them to do the research.

The design of the research is also important.

Forgive me, convener. My first degree is in science and I am married to a research scientist, but occasionally I forget that not everyone has that background.

It is agreeable to be able to note that our researchers are one step ahead of us.

Graham Ross

For once.

The Convener

We agree to a small-scale research project. The proposal will have to be referred to the Conveners Group for consideration. I will be unable to attend the meeting at which it will be considered, so it will be important for John Farquhar Munro to do so.


Scottish Water (Executive Bonuses) (PE1300)

The Convener

PE1300, from Drew Cochrane, calls on the Scottish Parliament to urge the Scottish Government to issue a direction to Scottish Water under the Water Industry (Scotland) Act 2002 to discontinue the practice of paying bonuses to its senior executives. I seek members’ views on how we should deal with the petition.

Nigel Don

We can reflect on the fact that the petition has been discussed and referred to the Scottish Government, that we have received replies and that comments have been made in the chamber. My reading of the situation is that the Scottish Government has been put under some pressure to do what the petition asks, has decided not to and believes that it can justify its view, whatever principled objections some of us may have. A regulatory regime and a remuneration framework are in place. Clearly, the Government believes that staying with what it has will achieve the maximum efficiency and cost savings for the organisation. I do not know whether we can disagree with that. On that basis, perhaps we should close the petition, as there is not much else that we can do.

Absolutely.

We agree to close the petition.


Cerebral Palsy/Acquired Brain Injury National Football Team (PE1335)

The Convener

The final current petition is PE1335, from Maggie Tervit and other parents, on behalf of football players with cerebral palsy or acquired brain injury. The petition calls on the Scottish Parliament to urge the Scottish Government to take action, including by making representations to the Scottish Football Association, to bring Scotland more into line with England, Wales, Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland and to adopt the Scottish national team for footballers with cerebral palsy/acquired brain injury.

The petitioner has provided a written submission for today’s meeting. I understand that there are some additional questions that she would like us to ask. I seek members’ views on how we should deal with the petition.

Robin Harper

Given that the SFA is committed to resourcing grass-roots and developmental opportunities for players from all areas of disability football and is funding a national development manager whose remit will cover all areas of disability football from grass-roots to international level, I do not think that it is an appropriate time to ask the Government to make representations to the SFA or to attempt to direct what it is doing in that regard.

The Convener

I am not very clear about where we are on the petition, given that Scottish Disability Sport said in its letter of 30 August:

“SDS would fully support the incorporation of the Scottish CP/S/ABI Football Squad within the SFA. Much work has already been done to achieve this transition through the SDS/SFA partnership. This incorporation is key to the future development of the sport in Scotland. Without this additional support, existing structures will not develop and will eventually stagnate. However, it is vital that the existing partnership, of the SDS disability knowledge and the SFA technical knowledge, is maintained.”

I am just not quite sure whether we have come to the end on this petition. I have a slight concern about it. Perhaps it would not do any harm to take the petition a bit further forward by asking the questions that the petitioner has posed. I am not clear about why such support is available in England and Wales, where I presume that other disability sports are supported. I just feel that we could do with a bit more clarity on the issue.

Nigel Don

At the very least we could formulate our question as, “Why has Scotland taken a different approach from that of the other countries?” We do not object to that, but we would like an explanation and rationalisation of the difference in approach.

The Convener

We could also ask whether it means that other disability sports are excluded. It would certainly be useful to find out what plans there are for future international development when the future disability plan is written. Other members of the committee might be interested in that area.

Robin Harper

Our problem in understanding the situation is to do with the number of funding streams and the multiplicity of organisations concerned. It is quite complex. The Government, sportscotland, the SFA, disability organisations and SDS are all involved.

The Convener

With the committee’s agreement, I suggest that we look at the petition again on a future occasion. I think that there are some issues that we still need to have clarified. For example, I find the view of SDS on the adoption of the CP/ABI football squad by the SFA quite interesting.

Nigel Don

At the very least, we should ask the questions that the petitioner has asked us to pursue, on the basis that she has a much better understanding of the subject than I do. The more I see of petitions relating to Scottish football, the more confused I get and the more concerned I become that people expect Parliament to sort out what other people do not seem to be able to sort out themselves. When it comes to football in general, I am not too worried, but when it comes to disabilities and those who need our help, I think that it is important that we push forward and ask the questions that they are asking. Once we have got responses to those questions and there are more of us present, it might be clearer what we can do in the future to help.

Robin Harper

The Government is quite clear—correctly, I think—that this is a matter for sportscotland, which is the agency that has the responsibility for implementing ministerial policy. How much further the Government could be expected to interfere in the work of sportscotland is a matter of conjecture.

15:30

The Convener

I do not think that that is what we are asking. The suggestion is that we write to the SFA. I am also interested in what Scottish Disability Sport’s position is, as it receives funding from sportscotland. It would be useful to tease out the matter a little further.

It might be worth asking the Government whether it has given sportscotland specific targets on disability football and, if so, whether those targets have been met.

Do we agree to the suggestions?

Members indicated agreement.