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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
  7. Current session: 14 May 2026 to 7 November 2026
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Social Justice, Housing and Local Government Committee [Draft]

Child Poverty

Meeting date: 28 October 2026

Mark Griffin

I will follow up on some of those answers. In the initial rhetoric from the Government, when the cabinet secretary introduced the review in her ministerial statement, she contended that actions were being taken by the Government that, perhaps, were not being counted as efforts towards reducing child poverty. However, if we count those actions that were not previously being counted, it does not change the situation for any family. Is it a credible way to assess child poverty to add in something else that we were already doing? Would that almost be massaging the figures to make Scotland look slightly better by counting something that we were already doing?

Social Justice, Housing and Local Government Committee [Draft]

Child Poverty

Meeting date: 28 October 2026

Mark Griffin

The Scottish Government has announced a review of the targets in the 2017 act, and the cabinet secretary has said that she expects to have a meaningful consultation on that review. Given the Government’s intention to have a meaningful consultation, I would expect everyone in this room to be involved in that. What has your level of involvement been in any review so far? What is your broad view on the purpose of the review of the targets? I will go round the table, starting with Peter Kelly.

Social Justice, Housing and Local Government Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 16 September 2026

Mark Griffin

Are you able to set out for the committee a timetable in which we would expect to see that modelling for each particular policy area, so that we can get a global picture of the impact on the reduction of child poverty?

Social Justice, Housing and Local Government Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 16 September 2026

Mark Griffin

I appreciate that the consultation is in its early stages, but is it fair to say that the Government’s view is that we should move away from income-based targets?

Social Justice, Housing and Local Government Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 16 September 2026

Mark Griffin

The process of consulting on and revising the targets is expected to run into 2027, but the targets in the 2017 act relate to 2030, so there would be a relatively short period between new targets potentially going through the process of primary legislation and the 2030 target date. How does the cabinet secretary expect that to work?

Social Justice, Housing and Local Government Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 16 September 2026

Mark Griffin

I completely accept and agree that those matters are entirely separate, but when the narrative is, in essence, that Glasgow is eyeing up East Dunbartonshire or East Renfrewshire, because they see juicy council tax receipts, they start to intertwine, which is why I raised that. Does the public discourse on how the reorganisation is motivated by council tax mean that it then enters the conversation?

Social Justice, Housing and Local Government Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 16 September 2026

Mark Griffin

Cabinet secretary, are you able to quantify the package of measures that you describe? For example, how many children will that lift out of poverty? Previously, the Government has modelled that existing measures are taking 100,000 kids out of poverty and that that number will rise to 110,000 by 2030. According to your modelling, how many more children would the package that you have set out lift out of poverty?

Social Justice, Housing and Local Government Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 16 September 2026

Mark Griffin

Let us move on to the review of the targets. When the legislation was introduced, the previous cabinet secretary said:

“income, or a lack of income, is central to poverty, which is a view that our stakeholders strongly share and is why the four targets that are at the heart of the bill focus on a range of aspects that are to do with low income.”—[Official Report, Social Security Committee, 27 April 2017; c 3.]

Will income still be the primary target by which the Government measures child poverty? Or is the Government moving in a different direction?

Social Justice, Housing and Local Government Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 16 September 2026

Mark Griffin

As you said, the First Minister said that he expected the reform of social care to have a health-led approach. Will that be the case across the provision of the wide range of social care services? The example that I gave to the Cabinet Secretary for Finance last week was child protection services. There will be other areas where it may not necessarily be appropriate for development to be health led. What is the Government’s thinking on whether it is appropriate for the reform of social care to be health led in its entirety, whether there will be a breakdown of the services in social care, or whether there is a more appropriate lead elsewhere?

Social Justice, Housing and Local Government Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 16 September 2026

Mark Griffin

I will do.

I move on to local government reform in the programme for government, which may have been a surprise to some. We would be discussing reform for the first time in 30 years, so what do you envisage local government looking like at the end of this session of Parliament?