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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 24 October 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 October 2025

Bob Doris

I thank the cabinet secretary and her officials for coming. We will suspend briefly before we move to the next agenda—[Interruption.]

My apologies. We are tight for time, so I cut bits out of my brief, but I had better just put this on the record.

The committee will report on the outcome on the instrument in due course. Are members content to delegate responsibility to me to publish a short factual report to the Parliament on the affirmative instrument?

Members indicated agreement.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 9 October 2025

Bob Doris

Good morning, and welcome to the 26th meeting in 2025 of the Social Justice and Social Security Committee. We have apologies from Collette Stevenson and Michael Marra. We are hoping that our colleague Jeremy Balfour will join us online shortly; he has not made it yet.

Our first item of business is a decision on taking business in private. Do members agree to take items 5 and 6 in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 October 2025

Bob Doris

Our next item of business is consideration of a Scottish statutory instrument. The instrument is subject to the affirmative procedure, which means that Parliament must approve it before it comes into force.

I welcome to the meeting Shirley-Anne Somerville, who is the Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice, and her officials Dawn Kane, who is senior policy officer for carer benefits, Jane Sterry, who is team leader for the carer support payment policy, and Karolina Bodzak, who is a solicitor in the disability and carer benefits branch. Thank you all for joining us this morning.

Following the evidence session, the committee will be invited in an upcoming agenda item to consider a motion to approve the instrument. I remind everyone that the Scottish Government officials can speak under this agenda item but not in the debate that follows. I invite the cabinet secretary to make a short opening statement.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 October 2025

Bob Doris

Thank you, cabinet secretary—that is pretty clear.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 October 2025

Bob Doris

Agenda item 4 is our first evidence session on the Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill at stage 1. I welcome Professor Colin Reid, emeritus professor of environmental law at the University of Dundee. Colin is in the room today. We also have Professor Calvin Jones, an economist, who is online. I thank you both for joining us. We have also been joined by Sarah Boyack, who is the member in charge of the bill. I will bring her in, in due course, to ask questions.

The first question is a general opening one and is from me. We have lots of questions to get through this morning, and almost every area of the bill will be covered. It will be tempting for our witnesses to stray into aspects of the bill that we are not mentioning just now. However, if we can try to keep answers focused—I know that that is very difficult sometimes—that will be helpful.

The policy memorandum explores the concept of policy coherence for sustainable development. Do you agree with the analysis, and can you share any examples of where such an approach has resulted from legislation?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 October 2025

Bob Doris

Before we move to Marie McNair, I want to check something. The definition of wellbeing in this bill includes

“(b) freedom from fear, oppression, abuse and neglect”.

A lot of Scottish public authorities will be asking, “Where do we fit into that when it comes to planetary boundaries?” What burden or obligation would it be reasonable to put on them? I am not being glib—I just want you to make it real to me. I see wellbeing as an overarching suite of things that we would all like to have in our lives as individuals, families and communities, but are we expecting public authorities to be making contributions to every aspect of it, Professor Reid?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 October 2025

Bob Doris

Some will be relevant on some occasions, but not all will be relevant on all occasions, so to speak.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 October 2025

Bob Doris

Do you have any views on the powers relating to investigations that the commissioner could run with? In particular, do you have any suggestions or thoughts on the kinds of reasonable grounds under which a general investigation could be initiated?

I will stick with Professor Reid, but I will bring in Professor Jones.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 October 2025

Bob Doris

If you are suggesting that the definition is as good as we are going to get but that there are issues with it, could you give one or two examples—briefly, because of the time constraints, or perhaps by following up in writing—of where the lack of clarity around the definition has caused an issue?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Wellbeing and Sustainable Development (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 October 2025

Bob Doris

Could you follow that up in writing? That is a wee bittie concerning.