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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 June 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Pandemic Preparedness

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Patrick Harvie

Thank you.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Pandemic Preparedness

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Patrick Harvie

Just as you do not want to downplay the importance of flu planning, I do not want to downplay the importance of pandemic planning in isolation, but how does such planning integrate with a wider approach—what has been described as a whole-system approach—to emergency planning? Planning for a pandemic is very important, but it has to be seen as part of our wider understanding of how the country responds to emergencies.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Pandemic Preparedness

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Patrick Harvie

Will that be specifically for health?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Pandemic Preparedness

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Patrick Harvie

Good morning to our witnesses. I will briefly pick up on one of Sandesh Gulhane’s points before I move on to my own questions about the relationship with the US. One of the things that the US Administration is threatening to do is prohibit publicly funded researchers from publishing in respected peer-reviewed journals and potentially to set up alternative journals that look as though they would be guided by the ideology of politicians who have been known to promote conspiracy theories and debunked science. If that happens—if that threat is realised—would you agree that there is a need to re-evaluate US agencies as partners?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Pandemic Preparedness

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Patrick Harvie

That brings us on to my final question. One of the flaws that were identified with the 2011 influenza preparedness strategy was the lack of an economic and social dimension to it. That covers a great deal that is non-medical and not specific to a health pandemic but still very relevant to a health pandemic, and it would have been relevant five years ago.

Trust and trusted sources of information in an age of disinformation are very important, as is community infrastructure, so that people know where they can get help informally and quickly. Are we investing in those community organisations and relationships? We have not been for 15 years or so.

There are also very basic things such as homelessness. Having safe, secure and adequate housing is important to keep people safe in any emergency, particularly during a pandemic. Can you comment on the extent to which a connection—beyond the direct medical and public health response to a pandemic—is being made to the social and economic conditions that will enable us to weather a storm?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Pandemic Preparedness

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Patrick Harvie

From the public health perspective, public health is fundamentally shaped by social context.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Pandemic Preparedness

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Patrick Harvie

I appreciate those answers—it is inevitable that there will be a health focus this morning, given the witnesses—but I am asking about the context. Is that work being done in the context of implementing the recommendation that the UK Government and devolved Governments should work together to introduce a whole-system civil emergency strategy?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Pandemic Preparedness

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Patrick Harvie

Is it beginning?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Pandemic Preparedness

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Patrick Harvie

If it happens, will that judgment rest with you as the CMO, rather than with ministers?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Pandemic Preparedness

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Patrick Harvie

I will move on. Whatever level of technological and research progress we have—and there have been some positive and optimistic comments about that—the planning and preparedness need to be there if we are to get effective use out of it.

Before Covid hit, the influenza preparedness strategy was, essentially, the only game in town. The devolved Administration in Scotland had adopted it, despite having the option to go in a different direction. The inquiry has found significant flaws with that strategy, not least that it was specific to influenza, which did not turn out to be what hit us. Presumably, that was one of the reasons why the strategy was effectively abandoned early on and the different Administrations in the UK went their own ways with new approaches.

The inquiry noted that there has been some work on various documents since then, but it found that there is still a lack of clarity in how both the problems and the solutions are set out. It recommended a UK-wide whole-system civil emergency strategy. Where are we with implementing that recommendation—both at a UK level and under the devolved Administration in Scotland?