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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 25 February 2026
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Pauline McNeill

Good morning. You sat in on the previous evidence session, so you will have heard everything that was said. It was difficult to discern what the NHS thinks is the problem, but I think that we got to it. My reading is that the NHS is saying that there is a gap between services and that some cases are no one’s responsibility, so they fall to the police. What do you think about that?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Pauline McNeill

It does, but there is a point that I perhaps did not understand correctly. When I pressed the witnesses in the first evidence session, they explained that there are two competing models of mental health: when there is a diagnosis of a mental health disorder and when there is emotional distress. That is how I would categorise it. They said that the gap relates to emotional distress. I felt that they said that, although emotional distress is not a policing issue, it is not an NHS issue either. So, it is no one’s issue.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Pauline McNeill

In answer to Sharon Dowey, you talked about second and third-line managers and risk positives. What do you mean by that? Do you mean that, when the call first comes in, whether it is through 999 or 101—I do not know where they come from—line managers could make different decisions to divert it?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Pauline McNeill

We have heard about all the work that is going on and is needed, and that some progress has been made, but you think that it is not enough and that Police Scotland’s management needs to make different decisions in the first place.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Pauline McNeill

From reading the submissions to the committee, the situation is exactly as you just said: we will soon be going in the other direction and training police officers to do some of that other work.

A final question just occurred to me, on something that I have dealt with myself. In 101 cases, where a person is in distress and they are not answering the door, the police officer would need to attend in case the door needs to be broken down. Is that the kind of risk-assessment decision that you are talking about? I see the need for a police officer to attend that call, because no one else has the authority to kick down the door. Would that be right?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Pauline McNeill

David Threadgold talked about second-line and third-line managers making different decisions. He talked about them being risk positive. Do you agree with that? What is the barrier to that?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Pauline McNeill

Good morning. You have answered Sharon Dowey’s question, and mine was on roughly the same area. You have removed those two offences because the police are not using fixed penalties for them. Is that right?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Pauline McNeill

Oh, right. I presumed that it was from 2004—

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Pauline McNeill

Is there a policy such that two years is the time after which you would review something? I honestly thought that you would say that those offences had not been used in 20 years—and I could see that—but in two years’ time—

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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Pauline McNeill

Why does that matter? If it is an NHS issue regardless, when the police officer takes the person to the NHS facility where they can best be treated, why would that police officer not simply say, “Well, we’ve done our job, so it’s over to you”? Why would that not be the case in every circumstance? You are saying that you think that the police have some responsibility, at that point, to wait to find out what the diagnosis is.