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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
  7. Current session: 14 May 2026 to 7 November 2026
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 4 November 2026

Pauline McNeill

If you cannot give the chief constable the £110 million that she has asked for just to stop the outflow of police officers and keep the service as it is, how can you say that it is a matter for the chief constable to worry about?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 4 November 2026

Pauline McNeill

I did not say that, by the way. I was just saying that the chief constable has been told that it will be a flat-cash settlement. You are saying that that is not the case—

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 4 November 2026

Pauline McNeill

Or multiyear funding. Is it possible to look at that?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 4 November 2026

Pauline McNeill

That is not an option.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 November 2026

Pauline McNeill

Thank you. I am a wee bit concerned, in that what I am hearing today and what I know about the scrutiny of the 2025 act give rise to a feeling of that things are not sitting together all that well. Next week, the committee will decide on all the regulations. If it decides in favour, there will have to be a rethink, and we will have to distil the information that you have given us, because you are saying slightly different things and we will need to piece that together.

I have always had a bit of concern about the current regulations and the 2025 act. As you know, Craig Naylor, I raised with you previously the problem that, if we do not get it right, the relationship between misconduct, gross misconduct, sacking officers and vetting could get very murky. You will be aware that the federation has now taken a case in which the officer was cleared of misconduct but has now not passed his vetting. Are you concerned, looking back, that the regulations are looking a bit messy?

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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 4 November 2026

Pauline McNeill

The chief constable has asked for £110 million, which is a modest request, but she has been told by your department that she should operate on the basis of a flat-cash settlement.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 November 2026

Pauline McNeill

Do you mean as well as having an independent chair? Are those two things?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 4 November 2026

Pauline McNeill

It is from Police Scotland’s submission to the committee. You might be familiar with the figure that I was familiar with, which is £1 billion, but £2 billion was the figure in the submission to the committee.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 4 November 2026

Pauline McNeill

Is your position that the figure is £290 million?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 4 November 2026

Pauline McNeill

I am sorry to interrupt—I am not trying to be rude—but we have limited time. I am clear in my mind, but I want to see where you stand on this. We can argue about what the figure is another time. I put this question to Ivan McKee, too. Surely, in public service reform, the Government must accept that significant savings have already been made through the centralisation of police and fire services. Ivan McKee’s letter alludes to that. I am talking about the police in particular at the moment. Are there really any more savings that can be made?