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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 25 January 2026
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 13 January 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

You are currently looking at that.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 13 January 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

You know the importance of clarity in that regard when collecting that data for equality monitoring. At the moment, that is one area in which there is a big gap. Are you fully aware of that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 13 January 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

It is good to hear that you place importance on that—that having that monitoring, and having good data on biological sex, is important. Do you agree that the Scottish Government should therefore withdraw the 2021 guidance, which still encourages data collection based on self-ID?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 13 January 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

I asked that question because you were very clear that you are accepting the judgment and the fact that you are following the law. However, this clearly states that you are not following the law. I know that you spoke earlier about the word “how”, but how is the Scottish Government interpreting that “how”? The law is the law. The Supreme Court judgment was very clear, hence why I am asking you these questions today, minister.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 13 January 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

It has also emerged that the Scottish Government has allocated £13 million of taxpayers’ money to LGBT Youth Scotland. LGBT Youth Scotland has begun operating in primary schools, which is something that I have been contacted about by many concerned parents from my area, East Dunbartonshire. Apart from that, LGBT Youth Scotland refuses to abide by the Supreme Court ruling on the definition of the word “woman”. Why is the Scottish Government providing funding to this organisation that refuses to follow the law? What are the Government’s procurement rules when it comes to handing out money to such organisations?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 13 January 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

I am sorry to interrupt you, minister, but I have to be very clear on what the question was about. It was about LGBT Youth Scotland, which refuses to abide by the Supreme Court ruling on the definition of the word “woman”. You said very clearly earlier that you follow the law and you accept the judgment. This organisation is refusing to do that. What example is that setting to the children, that you are bringing in an organisation to deliver to young children in schools which does not abide by the law? I would not be bringing this up if parents in East Dunbartonshire had not brought it up. They are very concerned. I got another email today and I have brought this up many times. They are very concerned about that organisation.

I know that a lot of good work goes on and that having clarity around understanding different backgrounds is important, but that organisation is refusing to abide by the law. To pay out £13 million to an organisation that does not want to abide by the law is not a good example to be setting those children.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 13 January 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you for that information. Convener, I—

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 13 January 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Good morning. Thank you for the information that you have provided so far. Can you confirm that the commission has changed its position on recording sex based on self-identification—which has been the case since the publication of the chief statistician’s guidance in 2021—and that you agree that it is necessary to collect data on biological sex for equality monitoring?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 13 January 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

I have a bit of a technical supplementary. Section 112(3) of the Equality Act 2010 states:

“B commits an offence if B knowingly or recklessly makes a statement mentioned in subsection (2)(a) which is false or misleading in a material respect.”

Does EHRC consider that public bodies and the Scottish Government are potentially at risk of legal action if they continue to follow the 2011 code of practice? Given that the code is now clearly advising action, does the commission believe that the Scottish Government is out of line with the law as clarified by the Supreme Court ruling? Having advised the Scottish Government that it must abide by the ruling, disregard the 2011 code of practice and not wait for the new code, do you consider that civil servants or ministers might be committing an offence under section 112(3) if they fail to act in accordance with the law as clarified?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 13 January 2026

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

You would be guiding them, minister, as the Scottish Government.