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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 27 August 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Emma Roddick

I was just about to ask you the question that you have just asked yourself. I am glad that you have enjoyed the evidence sessions so far—I have, too. As we have already heard, there are many concerns about the regional list element in particular, and there is a lot of conflicting evidence on what is the best way forward. I am sure that, initially, you had to weigh up those concerns. How did you come to the process for removal that is laid out in the bill?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Emma Roddick

You keep talking about fairness and parity between the two types of member. I go back to the answer that you gave to Sue Webber—there is something interesting about the idea that we are trying to force a first-past-the-post system on to the regional list. Did you think about doing it the other way and retaining the proportionality that came through in the election? What about replacing a recalled constituency MSP with somebody on their party list?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Emma Roddick

If you want to measure the strength of feeling and test what constituents want, surely we need a yes or no process. It could be that 20 per cent of constituents sign the recall petition but 40 per cent of constituents are against it.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Emma Roddick

I think that people will conflate the two because, whichever way you go about it, comparisons will be made. One suggestion that was made to the committee was that a full regional by-election be held. It was pointed out to us that if somebody is upset with the conduct of an individual MSP, they might also want to hold the relevant party to account—although that is not the primary objective of your bill, of course. Although people have that opportunity in a constituency by-election, they do not have it on the regional side, where the party directly replaces the individual concerned. Do you have concerns about that disparity?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Emma Roddick

Can you see that there is a difference? The parliamentary calendar works for those who want to attend or observe Christian holidays, but it does not work in the same way for other religions.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Emma Roddick

Okay.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Emma Roddick

I want to go back to the processes that are in place at the moment. In the course of the committee’s evidence sessions, many suggestions have been made about how to handle the situation. There is the idea of a regional by-election, which we have discussed. Other witnesses have said that if recall triggers are met by a regional MSP, they should automatically be disqualified and replaced by the next person on the list. What are your thoughts on those proposals? Are you likely to consider changes to that process for stage 2?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Emma Roddick

In the bill, there is currently a two-step process for regional members in which people would first have to sign a recall petition and then there would be a yes or no ballot on whether to remove the member. A suggestion has been made to put those steps together into a one-step process, which would mean that electors would have the opportunity to say yes or no from the beginning. There have been suggestions that that might improve secrecy around the recall petition. If you go to sign a recall petition, everybody knows that you are going to try to remove that MSP. There is no option to turn up and support them. What are your thoughts on that proposal?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Emma Roddick

You are talking about fairness and saying that if we do something on the constituency side it should happen on the regional side. Currently, the bill provides for a by-election on the constituency side in which the recalled member can stand but not one on the regional side. If you had a one-step process on both sides, they would be closer to each other than the current proposal.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Emma Roddick

There is the regional list. The way that those people who are elected from the regional list is calculated is partly based on the constituency elections—the overall calculation takes into consideration each constituency. If the goal is simply to hold individuals to account for their conduct, should we be looking at retaining the proportionality and providing the parity between the two systems that you are looking for?