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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 March 2026
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Liam Kerr

Mr Threadgold, I thank you very much for your evidence. One area of our inquiry that we have not managed to get to today is police suicides. That topic is very important to us, but we have been stymied by time. I wonder whether you might be amenable to writing to us on the issue after this session. Would that be okay?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Liam Kerr

I welcome, from Police Scotland, Assistant Chief Constable Catriona Paton, the lead for the policing together programme, and Nicky Page, the temporary director of human resources. We have up to 60 minutes for this session.

I invite ACC Paton to make a short opening statement.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Liam Kerr

I am grateful—thank you for your contribution this morning, Pauline.

I will ask the next question, and I will then move to Sharon Dowey.

ACC Paton, the Scottish Police Federation said that there was an ever-increasing demand on Police Scotland to look after vulnerable people for ever-longer periods. That is in a context of resource going down. What does the chief constable propose to do about that? Might the right care, right person model, which we heard about earlier, be part of the solution?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Liam Kerr

I will bring in Rona Mackay in a moment to ask a quick supplementary question, but I have a further question for you first, given that you brought up section 32 of the 2012 act and the wellbeing issue.

You talked earlier about your core role and you set out your four priorities for policing. You talked about the chief constable’s 2030 vision for safer communities, less crime, supported victims and, crucially, a thriving workforce. However, when we heard from the federation earlier, it said that section 32 is the key issue. We heard that, because it includes wellbeing, it is fostering a culture that is risk averse and that includes an expectation that, as I think you have just said, the public do not necessarily have of their police.

If that is correct, and if the federation is correct that a different strategic direction is needed from the chief constable, nothing is going to change unless that wellbeing issue changes. How does Police Scotland respond to that? What do you think the chief constable can and will do?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Liam Kerr

I understand. To reflect that back—these are my words, so if I am not reflecting it correctly, do challenge me—you would argue that the focus on wellbeing under section 32 is a red herring. It is the wrong end of the telescope. Police Scotland would say that the wellbeing objective can be achieved through day-to-day operation and that it is about the outcome, rather than saying that wellbeing has been part of day-to-day operation. The chief constable wants to make it an outcome, rather than a day-to-day thing.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Liam Kerr

Before we move to questions from Sharon Dowey, I note that we are starting to run out of time. I ask colleagues to be tight on their questions and witnesses to be similarly concise.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Liam Kerr

Fulton, can I ask you to start again? Your connection is really bad. You can start the question again, but we will have to move on if you remain unclear.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Liam Kerr

Do you have another question, Fulton, or are you done?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Policing and Mental Health

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Liam Kerr

I am grateful for that—I appreciate your consideration.

That concludes our evidence taking for this morning.

For committee members and for your own purposes, ACC Paton, I note that the committee will seek a written update after this meeting—as we discussed with Mr Threadgold earlier—on progress on tracking whether work-related stress and mental health issues contribute to cases of police suicide. That subject was explored in the session that you attended last year, but the data was not being tracked at that time. We will also want to know what improvements have been made to the duty-of-care system for officers and staff. We will be in touch about that following this session.

That concludes our marathon evidence taking this morning. I thank all the witnesses who have attended, as well as everyone else who has attended and asked questions. We will now move into private session.

12:47

Meeting continued in private until 12:59.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 February 2026

Liam Kerr

Our next item of business is an oral evidence session on an affirmative instrument. We are joined by the Minister for Victims and Community Safety. I also welcome, from the Scottish Government, Robert Wyllie, policy lead for safer communities, and Nicola Guild, from the legal directorate. I refer colleagues to paper 1, and I intend to allow up to 15 minutes for the evidence session.

Minister, I invite you to make some opening remarks to set the scene for this Scottish statutory instrument.