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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 5 November 2025
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Finlay Carson

Thank you, cabinet secretary. The order is a bit of a mess, and that is reflected in the unprecedented number of responses that we had to the call for evidence. There were concerns about the scientific evidence, data collection, monitoring, the socioeconomic and environmental impact of the closure and the proportionality of it.

The first area that we will ask questions about is the scientific evidence. The written and oral submissions from all sides of the argument suggest that there is a lack of evidence to support the removal of exemptions, the inclusion of creel and dive in the removal of those exemptions, and the assertion that spawning does not occur on muddy areas of the sea bed—the list goes on. What scientific evidence was used to inform your decision?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Finlay Carson

Okay. Thank you. However, that does not get away from the fact that, almost without exception, nobody agreed with the position that you had taken, and it was a very quick decision. Is that more about politics and the Bute house agreement that you had with the Greens? It was a knee-jerk reaction, it has not resulted in a reasonable set of regulations, and it puts at risk the economy and sustainability of coastal communities.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Finlay Carson

I would like some clarification. I think that you indicated in an earlier response that, potentially, 2 million cod are caught as nephrops bycatch. That would suggest that two thirds of the total population of cod in the Clyde are caught as bycatch of the nephrops fishery. That seems incredible. Is that absolutely right?

10:45  

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Finlay Carson

Good morning, and welcome to the seventh meeting in 2022 of the Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee. I remind everyone who is using electronic devices to switch them to silent.

Our first and only item of business is an evidence session with stakeholders on the Sea Fish (Prohibition on Fishing) (Firth of Clyde) (No 2) Order 2022. I welcome our first panel, which consists of representatives from fishing organisations: Simon Macdonald, chair of the West Coast Regional Inshore Fisheries Group; Sean McIllwraith from the Galloway Static Gear Fishermen’s Association; Bally Philp, national co-ordinator for the Scottish Creel Fishermen’s Federation; and Elaine Whyte, executive secretary of the Clyde Fishermen’s Association.

We have about 45 minutes for questions. I will kick off with a question for all the panel members. What impacts will the closure have on fishers in the Clyde? Specifically, to what extent do the changes made in the revised order mitigate those impacts?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Finlay Carson

I call Mercedes Villalba for a brief supplementary, to be followed by Alasdair Allan.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Finlay Carson

I call Alasdair Allan.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Finlay Carson

We discussed this earlier and reached a committee decision—

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Finlay Carson

Russell Cheshire has indicated that he would like to come in. I will then take Alex Watson Crook and Calum Duncan. If you could, please try to address the question directly. We have five or six more questions to come, so I hope that all the points that you are making in your contributions will be covered anyway, but it would be appreciated if you could address the question.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Finlay Carson

Nairn.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Finlay Carson

Thank you for joining us. You were very much in the spotlight, being on your own. We appreciate your taking the time to answer our questions.

We will suspend the meeting until 11:15, when we will be joined by our final panel of witnesses.

11:08 Meeting suspended.  

11:15 On resuming—