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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 March 2026
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland 2025: Finance and performance”

Meeting date: 4 March 2026

Richard Leonard

I will go to the deputy convener shortly, but, before I do that, Joe FitzPatrick wants to come in on one of the areas that Colin Beattie covered.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland 2025: Finance and performance”

Meeting date: 4 March 2026

Richard Leonard

That is fine. Jamie Greene has a final question.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland 2025: Finance and performance”

Meeting date: 4 March 2026

Richard Leonard

I have had an indication that Joe FitzPatrick is going to try our patience and ask a final question.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland 2025: Finance and performance”

Meeting date: 4 March 2026

Richard Leonard

Thank you. For the record, do you accept the findings and recommendations of the Audit Scotland report?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland 2025: Finance and performance”

Meeting date: 4 March 2026

Richard Leonard

That has come after a considerable period of time in which there has been an escalated level that has not led to any change in performance.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland 2025: Finance and performance”

Meeting date: 4 March 2026

Richard Leonard

We acknowledge that there has been a change in the leadership of the board. To an extent, that leads me to one of the overall points that is made in the audit report and that was articulated by the Auditor General when he gave evidence to us on the issue. He said:

“It is important for … boards to be absolutely clear about what happens in different scenarios.”—[Official Report, Public Audit Committee, 7 January 2026; c 48.]

Clearly, NHS Ayrshire and Arran has not understood what is supposed to happen and has not been absolutely clear about what it is supposed to do when it is escalated.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland 2025: Finance and performance”

Meeting date: 4 March 2026

Richard Leonard

You mentioned evidence; do you have evidence to support claims that new board members are being trained and that existing board members are being offered refresher training? Do you collect data on that?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland 2025: Finance and performance”

Meeting date: 4 March 2026

Richard Leonard

Thank you. We may return to PFI at some point later on, but Jamie Greene has some questions now.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland 2025: Finance and performance”

Meeting date: 4 March 2026

Richard Leonard

On that note of harmony, I will bring this morning’s session to a close. I thank Caroline Lamb, Christine McLaughlin and Fiona Bennett for their evidence this morning. I note that you are going to get back to us with more information about some things.

As this is our final session together, Caroline, and you have been one of our most regular witnesses, I am bound to say that I am reminded of Nye Bevan saying in 1948 that, as the health secretary, he would be responsible for every single dropped bedpan. I should think that there are times when you have felt as though you have been held responsible for that level of detail—we even got to tattoo removal this morning.

I thank you very much for your co-operation with the committee and, to reflect the point that Joe FitzPatrick made earlier, we appreciate your willingness to sit before us, answer our questions and respond to our requests for further information to help us scrutinise what we have reminded everybody is a huge part of public expenditure in Scotland and a treasured institution—the national health service.

As previously agreed by the committee, I move the meeting into private.

11:18

Meeting continued in private until 11:36.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 4 March 2026

Richard Leonard

Good morning. I welcome everyone to the ninth meeting in 2026 of the Public Audit Committee.

Our first agenda item is a decision on whether to take agenda items 3, 4 and 5 in private. Do members agree to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.