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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 March 2026
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Best Value in policing: Joint Best Value audit of policing in Scotland”

Meeting date: 11 March 2026

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much. Before I bring in Graham Simpson, I note that you mentioned capital constraints. At, I think, paragraph 24, the report points out that the move from local authority-controlled policing to a single Scotland-wide force—that was a policy decision; it was not a decision taken by any of our witnesses this morning—has left you in a situation where you have no reserves and no borrowing powers in the way that a local authority has. I think that that colours the fiscal climate that you are working in.

I bring in Graham Simpson to put some questions to you.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Best Value in policing: Joint Best Value audit of policing in Scotland”

Meeting date: 11 March 2026

Richard Leonard

Absolutely—they are contained centrally in the report that is before us. They have been identified by HM inspectorate and the Auditor General.

Colin Beattie has some questions.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Best Value in policing: Joint Best Value audit of policing in Scotland”

Meeting date: 11 March 2026

Richard Leonard

That might be a question that, I presume, the Scottish Police Authority would also have some thoughts on.

We have come to the end of our time. I thank you for the evidence that you have given us this morning. This is the second-last meeting in public of this parliamentary session. I will say to Mr Speirs that our final meeting next week is with the accountable officer from the Scottish Public Pensions Agency. I know, Mr Hay, the firefighters, of whom you were once part, along with police officers, the NHS and teachers, are all caught up in the delays in the SPPA system. If you have any questions that you would like to put to the SPPA, Mr Speirs, drop us a note and we will do our best to raise them.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Best Value in policing: Joint Best Value audit of policing in Scotland”

Meeting date: 11 March 2026

Richard Leonard

Okay. Mr Brown or Mr Hay—do you want to comment on where we are with the IT investments?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Best Value in policing: Joint Best Value audit of policing in Scotland”

Meeting date: 11 March 2026

Richard Leonard

Understood. Thank you very much for your time this morning, Alasdair Hay, Chris Brown, Don McGillivray, and director general Neil Rennick. I particularly thank you, chief constable, and deputy chief constable, for the time and the undertakings that you have given us this morning. It has been very helpful. We very much appreciate your willingness to answer some of the questions that were not strictly related to the report that you were asked to come here to talk about. We really do appreciate it.

With that, as the committee agreed earlier, the meeting will now move into private session.

11:39

Meeting continued in private until 12:00.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Best Value in policing: Joint Best Value audit of policing in Scotland”

Meeting date: 11 March 2026

Richard Leonard

The substantive agenda item this morning is further consideration of the report “Best Value in policing: Joint Best Value audit of policing in Scotland”, which we took evidence on from the Auditor General and His Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary in Scotland on 11 February.

We are joined by representatives from the Scottish Police Authority, Police Scotland and the Scottish Government. I welcome first of all from the Scottish Government Neil Rennick, director general of education and justice; alongside him is Don McGillivray, director of safer communities. We are joined from the Scottish Police Authority by Chris Brown, the chief executive, and Alasdair Hay, the vice-chair. Finally, we are joined by Chief Constable Jo Farrell, and alongside her is Deputy Chief Constable Alan Speirs, who has responsibility for professionalism and enabling services at Police Scotland. Good morning.

We have questions to put to you on the report. Before we get to those questions, I would like to invite representatives from each of the organisations around the table to make a short opening statement. Beginning with the Scottish Government, I invite Neil Rennick to address us.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Best Value in policing: Joint Best Value audit of policing in Scotland”

Meeting date: 11 March 2026

Richard Leonard

Okay. Thank you. Would the chief constable or deputy chief constable like to comment on that?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Best Value in policing: Joint Best Value audit of policing in Scotland”

Meeting date: 11 March 2026

Richard Leonard

We heard in your opening statement, chief constable, about changes in the nature of crime and how you have to gear up accordingly. However, what was witnessed on Sunday was a good old-fashioned football pitch invasion, followed by violent conduct and disorderly and threatening conduct, including—as the PFA has pointed out—such conduct towards players and coaching staff, for whom that was their place of work. What is your observation on that, and what action are you taking?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Best Value in policing: Joint Best Value audit of policing in Scotland”

Meeting date: 11 March 2026

Richard Leonard

A very short final question.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Best Value in policing: Joint Best Value audit of policing in Scotland”

Meeting date: 11 March 2026

Richard Leonard

Over to you, chief constable.