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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 July 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Rona Mackay

I understand. Thank you—that is helpful.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Rona Mackay

I get the impression that you are presenting us with the worst-case scenario that will happen unless things change, so I am looking for a bit of light. Apart from the obvious solution—more money—can you suggest anything that might help us to see a way through the situation? What you have said sounds pretty critical.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Rona Mackay

I totally agree with David Page: we are all very proud of the police service and what it has achieved in the transformation. I do not disagree with any of those comments.

However, perhaps he, too, will recognise that the Scottish Government is in new and very challenging territory with a fixed and therefore reducing budget. I know that he knows that, so it is a case of working together to try to work something out. I just wanted to put on record that I do not think that the police service’s work has not been recognised—I think that it has been.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Rona Mackay

On mental health, I want to ask about the external contract that you have with Optima Health for officers. What is the value and duration of the contract? Have you ever considered bringing the services in-house? Would that be more efficient?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Rona Mackay

Lynn Brown, is the service that is provided by that contract evaluated? Quite a lengthy contract is awarded. Do you review with the officers how effective it is?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Rona Mackay

The committee is concerned because our impression is that the service seems to offer a one-size-fits-all solution that does not recognise the unique pressures of policing and the incidents that occur, which brings me back to the point that maybe an in-house service would provide that better. You said that you will look at the modelling, but our concern is that it is just a general wellbeing service that does not home in on the experiences of officers.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Rona Mackay

Good morning.

I would like a bit of clarification. As I understand it, you do not want a flat cash settlement, but negotiated pay rises will cause massive job reductions in the police force. In previous years, have pay awards always led to a big reduction in staff? Have the two always been related?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Rona Mackay

Yes—that was part of the reason for my question. I do not remember the situation being this critical in previous years.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Rona Mackay

I am sorry to interrupt. Is it a three-year or four-year contract?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Rona Mackay

Where does that information come from? Does it come from the officers?