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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 July 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Rona Mackay

Great. That is good to know.

I have one more question, and I suspect that my colleagues will have further questions in the same area. I understand that the replacements for HMP Greenock and HMP Dumfries are not currently a priority in the capital budget. Will they be added anytime soon? I know that that is like asking, “How long is a piece of string?”, but are they still in the pipeline?

Criminal Justice Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Rona Mackay

I am just struggling to understand why it would be in the Government’s interests to do its own thing and not listen to you. I do not think that that is what is intended. It does not make sense that the Government would not take into account what you are saying. I come back to the issue of timing, which is something that we cannot really do anything about just now.

Anyway, thank you. You have made good points.

Criminal Justice Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Rona Mackay

For what it is worth, I think that your idea of holding workshops is a good one.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Rona Mackay

Great.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Rona Mackay

Thank you. I know that my colleagues will have further questions on that.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Rona Mackay

My question relates to the courts and prosecution services. Before I ask it, I note that it is interesting and important that Conservative committee members have been asking overtly political questions—and, when the cabinet secretary responds with straightforward and honest answers, they do not like it.

Cabinet secretary, I will be interested to know about something that you touched on in your opening statement: the priority for funding to be given to Lady Dorrian’s review, the prosecution of rape and sex offences, and the work of the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service Covid unit. I turn first to Lady Dorrian’s review. Will budgetary implications affect that?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Rona Mackay

It is good to know that it is still very much on track.

I turn to the effect of court backlogs on the victims of domestic abuse. I understand that, because of the specific nature of those cases, they will take priority when it comes to clearing the backlog.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Rona Mackay

That is really encouraging to know.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Rona Mackay

Good morning. His Majesty’s Chief Inspector of Prisons for Scotland, Wendy Sinclair-Gieben, told us that she thought there could be a time slip on delivery of the HMP Glasgow project because of budget restraints. Will you comment on that? Would the gap be filled, and do you have guarantees that the new prison will be ready for 2026?

Criminal Justice Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Rona Mackay

We have heard some very valid points from all of our witnesses today. The one thing that we would probably agree on is that there is a consensus for change and that everybody agrees that there are huge issues with the current system.

It is a mistake to think that the Government is not listening to your concerns—I think that it is. From what you are saying, the issue is one of timing. I get that, but I do not think that there is any value in trying to backtrack; we just are where we are now. I do not think that there is any possibility of the bill being rushed through and your concerns being ignored. We should always bear in mind that the bill itself is a framework bill to allow the Government to start the process of change. The co-design part of it is where you come in. That said, I get your point about timing, and I am not disputing it.

You have answered questions on a lot of things. My question now is: if more consultation and engagement were offered to you at this stage, would that allay some of your concerns? Would it allay some of the concerns of your members, Kate and Lynsey, and those of COSLA? It is a matter of being realistic, given the point that we are at.