Meeting of the Parliament (Virtual)

Meeting date: Thursday, January 21, 2021

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Decision Time

There are two questions to be put as a result of today’s business.

This is our first attempt at entirely remote voting. We will do it all through the chat box function of the BlueJeans app.

The first question is, that motion S5M-23917, in the name of Claire Baker, on the Culpable Homicide (Scotland) Bill at stage 1, be agreed to.

Members who do not agree should put an N in the chat box.

That is not agreed. There will be a division. In order to vote, we must temporarily suspend the broadcast to allow members to access the voting app.

17:19 Meeting suspended.  

17:26 On resuming—  

We will go straight to the vote. I remind members that the question is, that motion S5M-23917, in the name of Claire Baker, on the Culpable Homicide (Scotland) Bill at stage 1, be agreed to. This will be a two-minute division.

Let me, or information technology colleagues, know through the chat box—[Inaudible.].

I see a message from Jamie Greene. The vote is in progress, Jamie. You should be able to vote now. There are 20 seconds left in which to do so.

Thank you, colleagues. The vote has closed. I will allow a few moments to make sure that everyone has been able to vote, so just be patient. If you think that your vote was not registered, I ask you to alert me using the chat box function in BlueJeans. If your vote has been registered, the clerks will tell you through the chat box. If it has not been registered, I will call you to make a point of order.

I will allow time to ensure that all members’ votes have been registered. Any member who thinks that their vote has not been registered should let me know in the chat box. I will then call them to make a point of order.

I believe that some members are having connection problems and so might not be able to see or hear everything on the BlueJeans chat function. At this stage, the most important thing is for them simply to let us know if they think that their vote has not been registered. For guidance, I advise members that we think that nearly every vote has been registered.

I advise colleagues that we are not still voting. We are now in the period after the vote but before I call the result. We are just ensuring that all votes were registered and that all members have had a chance to check whether their votes have been registered. I assure members that only one vote was not registered.

I call Dean Lockhart to make a point of order. [Interruption.]

I see that Michael Matheson wishes to make a point of order, but I assure him that his vote was registered.

Before I announce the result of the division, I again confirm to Michael Matheson that his vote was registered. Of all those who were logged in, there was only one member whose vote did not register. That member might wish to make a point of order to clarify that at a later stage, but it will not make any difference to the result

For

Baker, Claire (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Beamish, Claudia (South Scotland) (Lab)
Boyack, Sarah (Lothian) (Lab)
Fee, Mary (West Scotland) (Lab)
Finnie, John (Highlands and Islands) (Green)
Grant, Rhoda (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Gray, Iain (East Lothian) (Lab)
Greer, Ross (West Scotland) (Green)
Griffin, Mark (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Harvie, Patrick (Glasgow) (Green)
Johnson, Daniel (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab)
Kelly, James (Glasgow) (Lab)
Lamont, Johann (Glasgow) (Lab)
Lennon, Monica (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Leonard, Richard (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Macdonald, Lewis (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Marra, Jenny (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Matheson, Michael (Falkirk West) (SNP)
McDonald, Mark (Aberdeen Donside) (Ind)
McNeill, Pauline (Glasgow) (Lab)
Rowley, Alex (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Ruskell, Mark (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green)
Sarwar, Anas (Glasgow) (Lab)
Smith, Elaine (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Smyth, Colin (South Scotland) (Lab)
Stewart, David (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)

Against

Adam, George (Paisley) (SNP)
Adamson, Clare (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP)
Allan, Dr Alasdair (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP)
Arthur, Tom (Renfrewshire South) (SNP)
Balfour, Jeremy (Lothian) (Con)
Beattie, Colin (Midlothian North and Musselburgh) (SNP)
Bowman, Bill (North East Scotland) (Con)
Briggs, Miles (Lothian) (Con)
Brown, Keith (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP)
Burnett, Alexander (Aberdeenshire West) (Con)
Cameron, Donald (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Campbell, Aileen (Clydesdale) (SNP)
Carlaw, Jackson (Eastwood) (Con)
Carson, Finlay (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con)
Chapman, Peter (North East Scotland) (Con)
Coffey, Willie (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP)
Cole-Hamilton, Alex (Edinburgh Western) (LD)
Constance, Angela (Almond Valley) (SNP)
Corry, Maurice (West Scotland) (Con)
Crawford, Bruce (Stirling) (SNP)
Davidson, Ruth (Edinburgh Central) (Con)
Denham, Ash (Edinburgh Eastern) (SNP)
Dey, Graeme (Angus South) (SNP)
Doris, Bob (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP)
Dornan, James (Glasgow Cathcart) (SNP)
Ewing, Annabelle (Cowdenbeath) (SNP)
Ewing, Fergus (Inverness and Nairn) (SNP)
Fabiani, Linda (East Kilbride) (SNP)
FitzPatrick, Joe (Dundee City West) (SNP)
Forbes, Kate (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (SNP)
Fraser, Murdo (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Gibson, Kenneth (Cunninghame North) (SNP)
Golden, Maurice (West Scotland) (Con)
Gougeon, Mairi (Angus North and Mearns) (SNP)
Grahame, Christine (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP)
Greene, Jamie (West Scotland) (Con)
Halcro Johnston, Jamie (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Harper, Emma (South Scotland) (SNP)
Harris, Alison (Central Scotland) (Con)
Haughey, Clare (Rutherglen) (SNP)
Hepburn, Jamie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (SNP)
Hyslop, Fiona (Linlithgow) (SNP)
Kerr, Liam (North East Scotland) (Con)
Kidd, Bill (Glasgow Anniesland) (SNP)
Lindhurst, Gordon (Lothian) (Con)
Lochhead, Richard (Moray) (SNP)
Lyle, Richard (Uddingston and Bellshill) (SNP)
MacDonald, Angus (Falkirk East) (SNP)
MacDonald, Gordon (Edinburgh Pentlands) (SNP)
MacGregor, Fulton (Coatbridge and Chryston) (SNP)
Mackay, Rona (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP)
Macpherson, Ben (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (SNP)
Maguire, Ruth (Cunninghame South) (SNP)
Martin, Gillian (Aberdeenshire East) (SNP)
Mason, John (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP)
Mason, Tom (North East Scotland) (Con)
McAlpine, Joan (South Scotland) (SNP)
McArthur, Liam (Orkney Islands) (LD)
McKee, Ivan (Glasgow Provan) (SNP)
McKelvie, Christina (Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse) (SNP)
McMillan, Stuart (Greenock and Inverclyde) (SNP)
Mitchell, Margaret (Central Scotland) (Con)
Mountain, Edward (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Mundell, Oliver (Dumfriesshire) (Con)
Neil, Alex (Airdrie and Shotts) (SNP)
Paterson, Gil (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP)
Rennie, Willie (North East Fife) (LD)
Robison, Shona (Dundee City East) (SNP)
Ross, Gail (Caithness, Sutherland and Ross) (SNP)
Rumbles, Mike (North East Scotland) (LD)
Scott, John (Ayr) (Con)
Simpson, Graham (Central Scotland) (Con)
Smith, Liz (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Somerville, Shirley-Anne (Dunfermline) (SNP)
Stevenson, Stewart (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)
Stewart, Alexander (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Stewart, Kevin (Aberdeen Central) (SNP)
Swinney, John (Perthshire North) (SNP)
Todd, Maree (Highlands and Islands) (SNP)
Tomkins, Adam (Glasgow) (Con)
Torrance, David (Kirkcaldy) (SNP)
Watt, Maureen (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP)
Wells, Annie (Glasgow) (Con)
Wheelhouse, Paul (South Scotland) (SNP)
White, Sandra (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP)
Whittle, Brian (South Scotland) (Con)
Wightman, Andy (Lothian) (Ind)
Wishart, Beatrice (Shetland Islands) (LD)
Yousaf, Humza (Glasgow Pollok) (SNP).

The result of the division on motion S5M-23917, in the name of Claire Baker, is: For 26, Against 89, Abstentions 0.

Motion disagreed to.

We move to the second, and final, question.

The final question is, that motion S5M-23916, in the name of Emma Harper, on the Dogs (Protection of Livestock) (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill at stage 1, be agreed to.

Again, at this stage, I ask any member who objects to say no. I do not need any member to put yes in the chat box. The only thing that they should put in the chat box is no, if they disagree. I do not need to see any yeses; this is just for anybody who wants to say no. There will be a short pause to allow members to say no.

I think that some members may be having connection problems. I reiterate that I am calling the second vote. The question is, that motion S5M-23916, in the name of Emma Harper, on the Dogs (Protection of Livestock) (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill at stage 1, be agreed to. Members only have to put no or an N in the chat box if they disagree. I do not need to know if members agree. I am assuming that members agree unless they disagree. Members should put an N in the chat box if they disagree. [Interruption.]

I am going to give this one more go. This is the vote on the second question. I gather that there are some connectivity problems in different parts of the country tonight. The question is, that motion S5M-23916, in the name of Emma Harper, on the Dogs (Protection of Livestock) (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill at stage 1, be agreed to.

I just need to know if members disagree. If they disagree, they should put an N in the chat box. I should also just say that I will not open the vote—we will use the voting app only if there is disagreement and we need to call a vote. At this stage, as far as I can see, nobody disagrees and therefore there will be no use of the voting app.

Colleagues, there seems to be a glitch. If you do not mind, I will suspend for a few moments. I will come back, so do not leave. I am going to switch off broadcasting at this point, but do not leave the BlueJeans function. We will try to sort out the sound and vision problems, and then we will come back.

17:38 Meeting suspended.  

17:41 On resuming—  

Unfortunately, we have not been able to satisfy ourselves that the problem with the BlueJeans platform is entirely resolved. We think that there is potential for some members to have been excluded from BlueJeans.

On that basis, I am afraid that I will have to defer the second vote this evening, on stage 1 of Emma Harper’s member’s bill. That vote will be deferred to a future meeting of Parliament. We will let all members know when the vote will be held. I am afraid that we are not going to be able to finish it tonight.

On that note, I close the meeting. We will meet again in the chamber next week.

Meeting closed at 17:41.